Why don't yall 2TC?

[pesqimon]

For me, an ascending/descending method with minimal buy-in cost that can be stuffed into a cargo pocket is one that's hard to beat. However, I understand that it may not be for everyone and that's exactly what I'd like to explore in this thread. If you've tried 2TC and walked away from it for some reason, would you share why? What didn't work for you? What didn't you like about it? What did you like? And if you've never tried it, what is keeping you from giving it a go?
@always89y

ok so I gave this a go with stuff I had on hand and thought it was viable. Tried again with improvements and find myself dissatisfied with the speed of progress. Not a knock on the method, just think I am impatient.

My makeshift thigh strap worked well enough but I think I prefer using the linesmans instead.
Ultimately what is dooming this method for me is I can’t figure out a good way to attach my Podium while hanging and then climb over it.
Going to go back to working on single sticking, but my default climbing method is 3 sticks with aiders.

 

[Red Beard]

Ultimately what is dooming this method for me is I can’t figure out a good way to attach my Podium while hanging and then climb over it.

A a single or double step drop-down aider off your platform will get you off the foot tether and onto your platform easy

 

[tarafrost]

2TC, 1-stick, SRT, DRT, JRT, 3 stick, 4 stick, ROS, Platforms a plenty, Rappelling, single vs pleated vs ESS vs Hybrid saddles. Safeguard, GriGri, Ropeman, RollNLock, Kong, aiders of multiple steps, slings/hollowblocks/prussics, biners up the ying yang, etc, etc...

Jeez....maybe I should stick to the simplest, most minimalist climbing system....don't bother climbing, just grab a 5 gallon bucket and ground hunt. LOL

 

[pesqimon]

A a single or double step drop-down aider off your platform will get you off the foot tether and onto your platform easy

Possibly. Still not sure how to attach the platform in the first place with my foot tether in the way, and also getting the camming action to work. May revisit this in the off season.

 

[FrankNess14]

Ultimately what is dooming this method for me is I can’t figure out a good way to attach my Podium while hanging and then climb over it.

I’ve hung my platform to the side between main and foot tether, or below both, then moved foot tether up above it and made another move or two, then just step onto platform.

 

[thedutchtouch]

2TC, 1-stick, SRT, DRT, JRT, 3 stick, 4 stick, ROS, Platforms a plenty, Rappelling, single vs pleated vs ESS vs Hybrid saddles. Safeguard, GriGri, Ropeman, RollNLock, Kong, aiders of multiple steps, slings/hollowblocks/prussics, biners up the ying yang, etc, etc...

Jeez....maybe I should stick to the simplest, most minimalist climbing system....don't bother climbing, just grab a 5 gallon bucket and ground hunt. LOL

@Nutterbuster would approve

 

[TommyDee]

3 stick movable aider/rappel this season on hawks and BD etrier. My disc issues flared up last week (not hunting), and I’m steering a plan towards SRT on preset loops or 2TC as a backup, and losing sticks altogether next year. Main reason is to cut weight/bulk/noise with sticks, and the reach down move in one sticking looks like it may be problematic for us guys with bad backs.

[mention]Redbeard [/mention] I watched your vid, (and many others) and like yours as a starting point, just have a few questions.

1. For foot loop tether, will repurpose a versa strap on my oplux tether to start.
2. Your using the leg loop prussic as your stoppper knot to keep the delta link snug, right?
2. Gonna purchase the leg loop if that guy on here is selling them.
3. I have smart 2.0 as my rappel device, and also rappel slow. I’ll probably just use a swabisch as a stopper, and see if I can rappel that way (I usually run autoblock off linesman loop), so I don’t need to mess with anything when time to rappel. Just disconnnect the leg loop and go.

I have some clip on EWO tenders I’ll use as thether handles.

So I think I just need to buy a leg strap to try this? I’m going to try this first in the spring.


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[Red Beard]

3 stick movable aider/rappel this season on hawks and BD etrier. My disc issues flared up last week (not hunting), and I’m steering a plan towards SRT on preset loops or 2TC as a backup, and losing sticks altogether next year. Main reason is to cut weight/bulk/noise with sticks, and the reach down move in one sticking looks like it may be problematic for us guys with bad backs.

[mention]Redbeard [/mention] I watched your vid, (and many others) and like yours as a starting point, just have a few questions.

1. For foot loop tether, will repurpose a versa strap on my oplux tether to start.
2. Your using the leg loop prussic as your stoppper knot to keep the delta link snug, right?
2. Gonna purchase the leg loop if that guy on here is selling them.
3. I have smart 2.0 as my rappel device, and also rappel slow. I’ll probably just use a swabisch as a stopper, and see if I can rappel that way (I usually run autoblock off linesman loop), so I don’t need to mess with anything when time to rappel. Just disconnnect the leg loop and go.

I have some clip on EWO tenders I’ll use as thether handles.

So I think I just need to buy a leg strap to try this? I’m going to try this first in the spring.

Sorry to hear about your disc flaring up buddy. I'm glad to hear that isn't slowing you down though!

As far as the leg loop prusik, yes I am using it as a stopper for the delta link. Works great for me.

Do you NEED to buy a leg strap... no, not necessarily. Some folks have been reporting great success in climbing without one. I personally think it helps the way I climb. I will say this though, if you start without the thigh strap and you're having a hard time with 2TC, don't get frustrated and give up. Maybe it will be easier for you with a thigh strap.

 

[Razorbak66]

If you need a thigh strap hit Jerry @always89y at CGM he will hook you up

 

[MNFarmHunter]

With 2TC/SRT, you get you decide how big of a step you make with each evolution.

I've got degenerative disc, bulged discs and an extra lumbar vertebra so body mechanics are always on my mind. With 2TC/SRT, climb at your comfort level and forget about speed or height per evolution. If it's comfortable only moving 10" per evolution, then do that. If it's 15", do that. If it starts hurting half way through, back down the height per evolution.

Depending on where the bad disc is, you could also benefit from a 2-panel saddle. With my Method2, the upper panel is worn like a kidney belt which supports my lower back and the bottom panel is what I actually sit or lean into.

 

[Red Beard]

With 2TC/SRT, you get you decide how big of a step you make with each evolution.

I've got degenerative disc, bulged discs and an extra lumbar vertebra so body mechanics are always on my mind. With 2TC/SRT, climb at your comfort level and forget about speed or height per evolution. If it's comfortable only moving 10" per evolution, then do that. If it's 15", do that. If it starts hurting half way through, back down the height per evolution.

Very well said! Been trying to relate that concept for a while.

 

[TommyDee]

With 2TC/SRT, you get you decide how big of a step you make with each evolution.

I've got degenerative disc, bulged discs and an extra lumbar vertebra so body mechanics are always on my mind. With 2TC/SRT, climb at your comfort level and forget about speed or height per evolution. If it's comfortable only moving 10" per evolution, then do that. If it's 15", do that. If it starts hurting half way through, back down the height per evolution.

Depending on where the bad disc is, you could also benefit from a 2-panel saddle. With my Method2, the upper panel is worn like a kidney belt which supports my lower back and the bottom panel is what I actually sit or lean into.

I’m running a method 2 panel and it’s great on my back. 0 issues saddlehunting on the back,

Really appreciate the insight, great to hear that this is doable with my jacked up back.

This is my 2nd blowout in 5 years of a lumbar disk, went to a PT I kept hearing about, does this Jaromir Jagr Czech DNR stuff, and it really works. PM me if you want more info on it.


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[Ddhunter]

I haven't made a video yet... but 2TC climbing with a predator platform instead of a foot loop is by far the easiest, safest, and most comfortable way to get up, and you dont even need a 3rd thether for going around branches.
After trying SRT, I feel it is quieter, but much more tiring.
I've made a carbon fiber diy predator platform that I use, and will try to find someone to film me this week.

Looking forward to the video of this method.

 

[Still Kicking]

I'm just satisfied with the security of SRT for the most part. I like making my presets with the Lone Wolf Custom 17" doubles because I am not in a hurry and really don't mind making some noise. But when hunting I can be really quiet and secure with SRT. To each his own and wishing you all Good Hunting!

 

[Samcirrus]

I'm just satisfied with the security of SRT for the most part. I like making my presets with the Lone Wolf Custom 17" doubles because I am not in a hurry and really don't mind making some noise. But when hunting I can be really quiet and secure with SRT. To each his own and wishing you all Good Hunting!

I agree. I hope to do alot more JRB/SRT next season because I'll actually have presets but for 2TC has been so good and convenient, as well as IMHO the cheapest way to get started saddle hunting and climbing trees because it partners so well with SRT/ JRB climbing.

 

[Samcirrus]

Looking forward to the video of this method.

Itll be as soon as I get my last deer or 2 or the end of Dec(end of bow season in MN).

 

[Earlybird31]

2TC climbing with a predator platform instead of a foot loop

I wanna see that. I'm already carrying a predator up. But how do you advance the platform? Just loosen it, advance it, tighten it, and cam it back over? Seems like a lot of work. Or is this a modified platform?

 

[Samcirrus]

I wanna see that. I'm already carrying a predator up. But how do you advance the platform? Just loosen it, advance it, tighten it, and cam it back over? Seems like a lot of work. Or is this a modified platform?

Modified...and it's not even a predator platform, it's a homemade carbon fiber platform so it's very light.
But there are videos of people using hand climbers with a saddle. You just need to find a way of attaching it to your feet and have a band around the tree or attached to your 2nd(foot) tether.

 

[Samcirrus]

Modified...and it's not even a predator platform, it's a homemade carbon fiber platform so it's very light.
But there are videos of people using hand climbers with a saddle. You just need to find a way of attaching it to your feet and have a band around the tree or attached to your 2nd(foot) tether.

I dont actually use this method now, and just simply 2tc with a foot loop because it's much colder and I have more clothes on and it makes me less sweaty to use 1 footloop like northforty40 does.

 

[Earlybird31]

That sounds like a hybrid of my usual climbing method and 2TC. I have a Summit open shot top that I modified to act as a platform. I usually just use the climbing platform (with foot stirrups) while hanging from my main tether to advance up the tree. It sounds like you're replacing the foot loop with a light platform that you can advance. And your platform is tied onto the tree or your main tether it seems. The modified Summit platform is about six pounds so it's definitely some weight, but it makes moving up much more secure. I just tie it off onto my rappel rope and lower it on the way down. The Summit also limits your trees to above a minimum diameter. I need to get some reps in on the conventional 2TC. I'm really hoping it works out, because if it does, it'll solve pretty much all of my climbing hangups. And I have no problem nickel and diming my way up the tree. I'll gladly take ten extra minutes to get up if it improves hours of setup.