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Why don't yall 2TC?

thedutchtouch said:
Apologies if this is covered somewhere previously, I glazed over in the middle of the thread a bit... Original video shows an amsteel tether... Doesn't this get snagged and caught like crazy on tree bark? Im not worried about a little bit of abrasion affecting it's structural integrity, but seems like amsteel would be much more annoying than rope (for negligible weight savings)
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I really like the amsteel tether. With it doubled (full bury from eye to tail) it stays plenty stiff enough to loosen and move up or down the tree very easily. Same with foot tether since buried down to the whoopie.


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DroptineKrazy said:
BOOOOOOO!!!! Adam West is Batman!!!
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Yea if you’re into men in tights with their undies on the outside :sweatsmile: I guess Adam is your guy lol

I just can’t take him serious as Batman. Especially after being the mayor in family guy… Of course the words bang, POW, boom being plastered across the screen every time he threw a punch probably didn’t help his cause:sweatsmile:
 
It's an Afghanistan affair is this thread, all hope is lost, as the dialog has completely degenerated...

I prefer the Bale Batman character but the raspy voice is a killer...

Thoughts on the Patterson kid?
 
In an attempt to put this thread back on track:
When crossing limbs (I plan to do so with my original 8ft tether) should I have a 2nd bridge, clip in the same bridge twice or something not mentioned? I really haven't heard this talked about and I know someone has already figured the best way out. Thanks
 
Heath said:
In an attempt to put this thread back on track:
When crossing limbs (I plan to do so with my original 8ft tether) should I have a 2nd bridge, clip in the same bridge twice or something not mentioned? I really haven't heard this talked about and I know someone has already figured the best way out. Thanks
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Don't you have a LB with you?
 
phatkaw said:
Don't you have a LB with you?
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Yes. Are you saying to use the LB and linesman loops to support me vertically while moving my primary tether above the limbs? I only imagined the linemans loops were primarily designed to hold "horizontal" pressure. Assumed the vertical pressure would begin to rip seams over time. Maybe I was over thinking it. I mean I know it will support that type of loading but would it in the long term?
 
Heath said:
In an attempt to put this thread back on track:
When crossing limbs (I plan to do so with my original 8ft tether) should I have a 2nd bridge, clip in the same bridge twice or something not mentioned? I really haven't heard this talked about and I know someone has already figured the best way out. Thanks
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Can't find the picture but can take a few if you need.

I have an 8' 1/4" amsteel daisy that I use as a temp tether in these cases. I'll move my tether right up to the bottom of the branch then girth hitch the amsteel above the branch and connect it to my bridge. At that point, I'll disconnect my rope tether, reinstall it above the amsteel tether, connect back in and keep going.

That way, I'm always tethered to the tree and the amsteel packs light and small.
 
I have been designing climbing systems for my own saddle hunting for 14 years now and only started sharing the info a year ago. I worked on a 2T system before I had seen anyone else do it, but abandoned the concept. Here are my issues with it:

1. In the vids i have seen, it's not particularly safe. The especially precarious time is when you are hooking a leg while advancing your tether. I don't think that passes the whistle test, which is one of the properties of a safe system. If you're not familiar with the whistle test, that simply means that an observer could blow a whistle at any time and we just let go of the system and we're always safe. If the whistle blows when the tether is loose, I'm not certain it's always going to catch us. Or if that is when ya lose your balance. We also don't have an immediate path to ground, another property of a safe climbing system. For example, you are 20 feet up in the tree when you disturb a hornet's nest. Yes, it happens, as it happened to me once. Arborist systems always have a line to ground and can get there quickly.

2. Ya can't easily/safely BYPASS a limb. This really cuts down on the number and types of trees we can get in.

3. It's not good on leaning trees, multi trunk or complex trees either. Those are the best trees to climb and hide in.

What i do like about it is how much of a MINIMAL system it is... and that we can execute a climb without a throw ball. Awesome in that regard.

My preference is rope climbing, on a preset, with the throw ball work done weeks or months or years in advance, and my primary method is not SRT nor MRS/DdRT. I use both of those methods but I am confident that my "JRB Climbing Method" has advantages over both. But i had to scratch my head for quite a long time before I could figure out a way to climb a tree which doesn't have a crotch, and without a throw ball, and where I can bypass branches, and where I am tied in the whole time, and have a path to ground. And so I did work on this quite a while, and we'll leave you a link if you haven't seen it. Calling this "jrb hitch climbing". It uses the same rope system, but is a different method. Yes, its a technical climb, but i feel it's safer and more versatile. I'm not trying to convince anyone to do this, because I haven't even explained it fully yet. I just want to show what is possible. I will develop it further and update the channel. Be safe.




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Would any of you that have settled on 2TC as part of your system this season have a few photos of this set up on a tree?

CMG version or DIY are both helpful.
mainly interested in tethers being used vs Amsteel tethers . The videos

When I honestly evaluate my one stick climbs (in daylight) it doesn’t pass the
“whistle“ test.
WE steps with aider are somewhat safe, provided I do not let my linesman get too low.

While I wasn’t thrilled with 2TC on 1st attempt, it seems to have some benefits worth revisiting.

( haven’t tried JRB yet as I’m a visual learner and hope to try while getting feedback from others experienced with thi#.
 
I did a video some time back where I was describing how I adapted the way Scott Adkins climbs to suit me. The attachments to the tree can be seen below in the stills.

In one of the photos I'm showing 2 autoblocks (13" Hollowblocks) and in another an autoblock and VT prusik (28" Ice Tail). I had been using a VT made from 6mm TRC when the main line was 8mm Oplux. Currently using 11mm WorkPro. There's 35' in the right pouch, (2lbs., 8,092 MBS). Can also SRT on it, but haven't had the need to.

https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/2tc-saddle-setup-2-jpg.46038/
https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/2tc-setup-2-autoblocks-2-jpg.46039/
https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/2tc-setup-vt-autoblock-2-jpg.46040/
https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/foot-loop-jpg.46068/

I rig on the ground and don't change anything at height. 35' of line feeds out of my right Sys hauler through a BD Guide ATC attached to the bridge and up to the tree as a tether. Above the ATC there is either a VT prusik (6mm TRC or 28" Ice Tail) or an autoblock (19" hollowblock). This serves the purpose of a standard prusik to adjust the distance to the tree, but maintains the full strength of the main line if the prusik fails. A prusik is usually the weakest link in a system. Below the ATC, and attached to my right lineman's loop, is a 13" hollowblock tied as a autoblock for back up and to keep slight tension on the ATC. I also climb with a left foot loop girth hitched to the tree, supper easy and fast. When the hunt is over all that's required to come down is to apply grip pressure to the hitches above and below the ATC. It's a controlled smooth descent and if you turn loose of either hitch the other will hold you where you're at, ie. to take your platform off. Once on the ground I temporarily take the line out of the ATC to feed it back into the right pouch and then reconnect the ATC for next time. Most of the time it never touches the ground and is nice in a swamp.

 
TreeCreep said:
Would any of you that have settled on 2TC as part of your system this season have a few photos of this set up on a tree?

CMG version or DIY are both helpful.
mainly interested in tethers being used vs Amsteel tethers . The videos

When I honestly evaluate my one stick climbs (in daylight) it doesn’t pass the
“whistle“ test.
WE steps with aider are somewhat safe, provided I do not let my linesman get too low.

While I wasn’t thrilled with 2TC on 1st attempt, it seems to have some benefits worth revisiting.

( haven’t tried JRB yet as I’m a visual learner and hope to try while getting feedback from others experienced with thi#.
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Look at post #123 (or there abouts) and you'll see a picture of my 2TC on a tree.

Only difference since that photo was taken was I got rid of the amsteel continuous loop foot loop and now just tie a bowline for the foot loop. Only reason I did that was to make it a little more compact.
 
NorthFourty said:
I did a video some time back where I was describing how I adapted the way Scott Adkins climbs to suit me. The attachments to the tree can be seen below in the stills.

In one of the photos I'm showing 2 autoblocks (13" Hollowblocks) and in another an autoblock and VT prusik (28" Ice Tail). I had been using a VT made from 6mm TRC when the main line was 8mm Oplux. Currently using 11mm WorkPro. There's 35' in the right pouch, (2lbs., 8,092 MBS). Can also SRT on it, but haven't had the need to.

https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/2tc-saddle-setup-2-jpg.46038/
https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/2tc-setup-2-autoblocks-2-jpg.46039/
https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/2tc-setup-vt-autoblock-2-jpg.46040/
https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?attachments/foot-loop-jpg.46068/

I rig on the ground and don't change anything at height. 35' of line feeds out of my right Sys hauler through a BD Guide ATC attached to the bridge and up to the tree as a tether. Above the ATC there is either a VT prusik (6mm TRC or 28" Ice Tail) or an autoblock (19" hollowblock). This serves the purpose of a standard prusik to adjust the distance to the tree, but maintains the full strength of the main line if the prusik fails. A prusik is usually the weakest link in a system. Below the ATC, and attached to my right lineman's loop, is a 13" hollowblock tied as a autoblock for back up and to keep slight tension on the ATC. I also climb with a left foot loop girth hitched to the tree, supper easy and fast. When the hunt is over all that's required to come down is to apply grip pressure to the hitches above and below the ATC. It's a controlled smooth descent and if you turn loose of either hitch the other will hold you where you're at, ie. to take your platform off. Once on the ground I temporarily take the line out of the ATC to feed it back into the right pouch and then reconnect the ATC for next time. Most of the time it never touches the ground and is nice in a swamp.

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TreeCreep said:
Would any of you that have settled on 2TC as part of your system this season have a few photos of this set up on a tree?

CMG version or DIY are both helpful.
mainly interested in tethers being used vs Amsteel tethers . The videos

When I honestly evaluate my one stick climbs (in daylight) it doesn’t pass the
“whistle“ test.
WE steps with aider are somewhat safe, provided I do not let my linesman get too low.

While I wasn’t thrilled with 2TC on 1st attempt, it seems to have some benefits worth revisiting.

( haven’t tried JRB yet as I’m a visual learner and hope to try while getting feedback from others experienced with thi#.
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Will have photos and maybe a video this weekend of my adaptation or 2TC with my homemade Carbon Fiber predator platform that I use instead of a footloop. It's so amazing, comfortable, sturdy( no worry about kick out) and saves time when installing the platform at the top.
 
I tried diligently again using the CMG version and no dice. I don't feel safe as I step up and my tether is loose, even as I bring up my distal to tighten it. I also can't seem to get my right leg loop in the right place. So far, it seems too dicey and unsafe, but I may fool around with it a bit more.
 
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