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Why don't yall 2TC?

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The numbers you put into the equation would not accurately represent the fall you’re trying to represent I.e. your body is not giving 12 inches during an impact less than a second. Understanding the terms and how they apply is as important as the calculation itself. Bad numbers in bad number out.

There may be a fall force calculator out there that climbers use that may get you more accurate numbers. I’m skeptical of the ones used from this calculator in this manner.
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I been learned. Thank you.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
But understand. That is assuming 9.8 meters per second velocity has been reached. In reality, even falling from a plane, you will not reach 9.8 M/S due to air resistance slowing you down. From a resting position that suddenly lets go, your velocity would be very low over that 12 inches of distance.
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It's 9.8 meters per second squared. That's an acceleration, not a velocity, and it's constant for gravity.


Edit - I think you were calculating a velocity based on gravity and 1 meter fall? If I do that, I get 4.4 m/s.

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sureshot said:
It's 9.8 meters per second squared. That's an acceleration, not a velocity, and it's constant for gravity.


Edit - I think you were calculating a velocity based on gravity and 1 meter fall? If I do that, I get 4.4 m/s.

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Yes, it's 9.8 meters per second per second squared. Works out to 122 mph terminal velocity on Earth falling (in a vaccuum). So any calculations we could quickly whip up would generally overstate the actual force. For 2TC, with only 18 inches or so max slack, a "fall" will amount to you sitting down a little harder than you really wanted too. If you have 3 to 4 feet of slack like some other methods and you fall things would start to get interesting.
 
I just saw your video on YouTube today with the rope stiffener update.

You mentioned saddlehunter.com so I came here to say thanks for the video.
I had been thinking of using polyurethane 1/4" Water Line Tubing or even the flexible liner that you find in a mig gun as inner rope inserts for amsteel tether options (probably too heavy), but when I saw you use the duct tubing wire I right away thought of the electricians fish tape. I have a couple that will never be used again, and I was curious what you think of any of those options?
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Zhillian1 said:
I just saw your video on YouTube today with the rope stiffener update.

You mentioned saddlehunter.com so I came here to say thanks for the video.
I had been thinking of using polyurethane 1/4" Water Line Tubing or even the flexible liner that you find in a mig gun as inner rope inserts for amsteel tether options (probably too heavy), but when I saw you use the duct tubing wire I right away thought of the electricians fish tape. I have a couple that will never be used again, and I was curious what you think of any of those options?
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So you have to use something that is strong and stiff, but also won't poke through the rope, as well as fit, ie: not change the diameter of the rope too much.
The rope is stiff with the wire, but I can still slide my friction hitch up and down, on and off the stiffened section. Because we need it to be versatile for many different sizes of trees.
 
Samcirrus said:
So you have to use something that is strong and stiff, but also won't poke through the rope, as well as fit, ie: not change the diameter of the rope too much.
The rope is stiff with the wire, but I can still slide my friction hitch up and down, on and off the stiffened section. Because we need it to be versatile for many different sizes of trees.
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Sam I must have missed the rope stiffening thing. Can you link please?
 
Samcirrus said:
Here's the latest video.
I'm trying to find time to video all my updates and full system with a climb, but I haven't even had time to hunt( 2 sits this whole season so far :( )
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Love seeing that on the tree. Good job. Now can we get a video of how you're packing it to retain the circular shape? I image you're not folding it like a regular tether.
 
Having spent a bunch more time 2TC lately, I think 2TC down the tree is actually easier than up. I'm convinced, and I think I'm going to take the rappel rope off of my saddle (water bottle carrier). Likely will still keep it in the pack for now but 2TC is pretty much just as fast going down and much easier when you factor in stowing the rope vs the tethers. Preaching to the choir here I know.

Still don't think I'll be a ROS only guy, I do enjoy having a bit of a platform in addition but don't see much use keeping the sticks I have now. Anyone 2tc and hang a stand for a hybrid setup?

Unrelated- I went out for a quick sit last night and just left the cgm footloop strapped on my foot, just unclipped the carabiner from it and stowed the tether during the hunt. I would assume this might cause it to wear out some from standing on the platform, but it sure made things even easier/faster.
 
Maybe its been mentioned before but has anyone spent time standing on the 4" webbing foot loops offered by CGM? Seems like a viable option for a couple hour hunt. 2tc up, use the thigh loop/foot loop on the other foot when at height.
 
@Samcirrus shot a doe while standing in his foot loops last season I believe, he was mid climb when he saw the doe and stopped though I believe. I think it would be comfortable enough but may limit your ability to reposition for a shot
 
I'll give it a shot. I'm trying to eliminate redundant ways up the tree and minimize metal in my system. I recently tried one of the other climbing webbing ladder systems and it sucked standing on after a fairly short period of time. I stood in the 4" CGM foot loops for awhile just practicing and they seemed to spread out the pressure and be much more comfortable.
I understand 2TC isn't necessarily supposed to be a shooting platform along with a way up the tree but if the foot loops are comfortable for a couple hours I'll be happy.
 
krub6b said:
@Samcirrus shot a doe while standing in his foot loops last season I believe, he was mid climb when he saw the doe and stopped though I believe. I think it would be comfortable enough but may limit your ability to reposition for a shot
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Yes, that's true, but I will give the caveat that if you want to use the wide footloops like a platform then they need to be together on the same tether so that you can push against the tree without just balancing your toes against the tree. If you have a footloop on each tether then you won't really be able to get much movement other than your immediate strong side shot.
 
Samcirrus said:
So you have to use something that is strong and stiff, but also won't poke through the rope, as well as fit, ie: not change the diameter of the rope too much.
The rope is stiff with the wire, but I can still slide my friction hitch up and down, on and off the stiffened section. Because we need it to be versatile for many different sizes of trees.
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Putting it that way and trying to consider red beards question of how to wrap it up I think the fish tape is too much.

Alternatively, my son came home for the holiday break and he had a collapsible laundry storage bag that I thought maybe I could try this.

Wanting to keep his laundry basket, he started asking questions... when I told him about your rope stiffener idea he right away suggested the worn out windshield sun shades or a sun rotted camp garbage can we have in a burn pile lol.

Both of these sound like they might make good alternatives and I have a new 10mm x 100' climbing rope but I also have two 50' sections of the fake amsteel winch type cables.

I've never tried the 2TC so I'm not sure which one would be better to try to build first. Is there a preference over one or the other for this? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Here's some photos of my 2TC system this year. As you can see, I only use 2 metal carabiners. The one on the left, my foot tether, I then use to rappel on a munter. All hitches are JRB'S Longhorn Agile. The foot loop on my main tether/rappel rope comes off once I'm on my platform.
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The last picture is my saddle and both tethers loaded in the big dump pouch.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Blake's hitch on the foot tether? I may be off since I am only up to 40% caffeinated at the moment, lol.
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Yessir, I have fought going back and trying it for a long time. The tethers brocky made for me are super long by request, but it is actually turning out to be more of an annoyance than anything. So having enough rope and also wanting to mitigate metal to metal chatter I took my Garda foot loop off. It has no carabiner + it is extremely easy to get your foot in and out of + it is super easy to work up the tree. The picture demonstrates how I will leave my footloop a little lower than my stand when hanging it in order to step up after. It also demonstrate no stopper on my Blake’s lol. So, that position often puts my carabiner at or around clinking height and it is extremely annoying. With no carabiner I don’t have to worry. Simple really is the best with 2TC. I won’t get rid of my Garda footloop as it is what I climb rope with but I think it’ll stay on a pocket on my bag from here on out. I wore mud boots and like we all know who climb 2TC a lot, you’re just not on the rope long enough for it to matter much
 
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