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WLR Hitch Discussion

MattMan81 said:
What rope were you running for your jrb system that they were binding?
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The JRB hitches became very tight and hard to move with both Mammut and ultra tech 8mm ropes with beal and coppa for cords.
 
gcr0003 said:
The JRB hitches became very tight and hard to move with both Mammut and ultra tech 8mm ropes with beal and coppa for cords.
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Did you try it on a bigger rope? You got me concerned now. I'm gonna use either my predator rope or that blue moon I ordered. 11mm. But I weigh a little more than you, and worried about them jamming now. As far as the cord, is the lengths the same? If I tie to one should I be able to tie the other? Or will I be short.. I ordered 20 of cord.
 
I think the bottom couple square knots are just there to produce the self tending capability. Otherwise it looks similar to like a double Michoacán with three over, top leg comes back under two wraps. This is why it seems to grab before all the slack is taken up, the top 3 wraps should stay fairly tight like a traditional prusik, the lower leg being tucked will provide a pretty smooth adjustment but the square knots are there solely to provide the tenderless self tend. You could tie a distel or schwabisch with two square knots underneath it and probably get the same functionality. Or use a VT which is one of the strongest holding hitches there is and it’s easy to adjust if you want a hitch cord that is that long and takes up that much space
 
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MattMan81 said:
Did you try it on a bigger rope? You got me concerned now. I'm gonna use either my predator rope or that blue moon I ordered. 11mm. But I weigh a little more than you, and worried about them jamming now. As far as the cord, is the lengths the same? If I tie to one should I be able to tie the other? Or will I be short.. I ordered 20 of cord.
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I wouldn’t worry. When you get your stuff in I would try it out for yourself and make a call on whether it meets your needs or not. You will also have the option of using other hitches it you don’t like one. As far as cord I would cut the amount that John suggests on his website. 20’ should be plenty to make a few hitches.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I think the bottom couple square knots are just there to produce the self tending capability. Otherwise it looks similar to like a double Michoacán with three over, top leg comes back under two wraps. This is why it seems to grab before all the slack is taken up, the top 3 wraps should stay fairly tight like a traditional prusik, the lower leg being tucked will provide a pretty smooth adjustment but the square knots are there solely to provide the tenderless self tend. You could tie a distel or schwabisch with two square knots underneath it and probably get the same functionality. Or use a VT which is not of the strongest holding hitches there is and it’s easy to adjust if you want a hitch cord that is that long and takes up that much space
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Right and I think this is what the JRB hitch try’s to accomplish as well. As for the square knots below other hitches it has crossed my mind to try out. It could be a fun experiment. For a rope climbing, having those hitches grab instantly is a huge nice to have.
 
gcr0003 said:
Right and I think this is what the JRB hitch try’s to accomplish as well. As for the square knots below other hitches it has crossed my mind to try out. It could be a fun experiment. For a rope climbing, having those hitches grab instantly is a huge nice to have.
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only I think with a schwabisch or distel, that a single or double “cobra weave” aka square knot would provide plenty of push back to get those hitches to self ascend. I’ll try it this evening on my 7mm eye to eye
 
The wraps do the major holding, with what happens below them is meant to add some additional friction, this allows for easy release. There has to be enough in the series to take enough weight off of the wraps, the multiply bends also keep slack from moving within the hitch.The Sticht and others also work on this principle.
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The Synergy X is similar, but seems to tend easier tied this way. Both hitches should be tied fairly tight to prevent too much separating when loaded.
Wraps on top are the simplest option, but any hitch on top can be made easier to release by adding the hitching series below.
 
Brocky said:
The wraps do the major holding, with what happens below them is meant to add some additional friction, this allows for easy release. There has to be enough in the series to take enough weight off of the wraps, the multiply bends also keep slack from moving within the hitch.The Sticht and others also work on this principle.
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The Synergy X is similar, but seems to tend easier tied this way. Both hitches should be tied fairly tight to prevent too much separating when loaded.
Wraps on top are the simplest option, but any hitch on top can be made easier to release by adding the hitching series below.
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That was kind of what I was thinking. I haven’t tried the synergy x simply because of the amount of chord it requires. Thanks for the input @Brocky it’s great to have a hitch aficionado on here to reference
 
Brocky said:
Two other options that require less cord but need a ring. Both adjust and self tend, with options to make it easier.
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I like the sticht hitch but I don’t prefer to have the extra metal in the system. They do very well JRB climbing but since it’s two ropes and two hitches next to one another I have found the rings knock and cling.
 
gcr0003 said:
Cmon man, it’a the Sticht hitch! Aka possibly one of @Brocky s favorite hitches?
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Apparently so. Did a web search and this was the first hit. Name seems oddly familiar.

Sticht Hitch

This hitch has come up in a couple other threads, Hitch Hiker Length, and Lanyard Adjuster. Thanks to those who are trying this hitch and giving feedback on their experiences. @JontreeHI, there might be binding due to the legs being too short to allow the ring to be positioned farther down from...
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Brocky said:
The parts of the rings not in contact with the rope could be wrapped to silence them?
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Thought about it but haven’t tried it yet. Also the ring size used matters. If you use too big of a ring it is possible to pull through and break down the hitch. Should we start a Sticht hitch specific thread, or however you spell it?
 
Bumping an old thread here. I had foot surgery a few weeks ago so I can’t hunt, but in the last week I’ve been able to mess around with gear in my garage and actually started getting in some trees in the yard the last couple of days.

Holy Sh1tballs, I LOVE the WLR hitch. I just changed literally every friction hitch on every rope system I have to the WLR.

It breaks easily (2 fingers) under load, but grabs immediately when you let go.

It stays dressed and is easy to inspect when first deploying after transport. This was a problem for me with other hitches I have used such as the double Michoacán.

It works wet or dry. Seriously, I soaked the heck out of a RescueTech/Sterling TRC setup and then did a short climb/rappel. I thought that if any combo would slip while wet, this would be the one since both covers are Technora.

It’s unbelievably simple to tie.

It uses more real estate on the main line than a simple prusik, but less than most other hitches I have used before.

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