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WLR Hitch Discussion

gcr0003 said:
Do you know of any drop tests with any other hitches? I’ve seen some pull tests by HownotTo on YouTube but it wish there were more. My understanding is most hitches will slide before they reach Mbs.

I’ve left mine on my rappel rope and have used it all season without any issues above my figure 8. It does well above it because it can break even under load. I have seen nothing indicating it’s less safe than other more common or well known hitches.
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Yes I know Prusik, VT, schwabisch, distel, and Blake’s hitches have been drop tested. The VT held the strongest, the prusik and schwabisch slid the furthest down the ropes in those drops.
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Yes I know Prusik, VT, schwabisch, distel, and Blake’s hitches have been drop tested. The VT held the strongest, the prusik and schwabisch slid the furthest down the ropes in those drops.
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Yea I figured someone had done that on the mainstream ones. Did any of them break or just slide? Describe what held the strongest means? Slid the least?
 
gcr0003 said:
Yea I figured someone had done that on the mainstream ones. Did any of them break or just slide? Describe what held the strongest means? Slid the least?
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Slid the least distance in dynamic loading and also held the strongest to break in static pulls. I believe sterling has some static pull results on a multitude of friction hitches on their website as well.
 
gcr0003 said:
That’s not surprising. Lots of friction and heat generated. Any of them fail and slip to the ground?
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No but both the schwabisch and regular prusik slid all the way to the stopper knot on a couple drops. I think Jerry had the same issue with the schwabisch in his drops. Typically, the easier a hitch will release under load, the further it’ll slide. The big exception in my experience has been the lowly ol prusik, which binds all sorts of crazy but seems to slide at least 4 or 5 inches in every single drop
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
No but both the schwabisch and regular prusik slid all the way to the stopper knot on a couple drops. I think Jerry had the same issue with the schwabisch in his drops. Typically, the easier a hitch will release under load, the further it’ll slide. The big exception in my experience has been the lowly ol prusik, which binds all sorts of crazy but seems to slide at least 4 or 5 inches in every single drop
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But not to the the stopper knot lol? I like my trusty prusik
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
No but both the schwabisch and regular prusik slid all the way to the stopper knot on a couple drops. I think Jerry had the same issue with the schwabisch in his drops. Typically, the easier a hitch will release under load, the further it’ll slide. The big exception in my experience has been the lowly ol prusik, which binds all sorts of crazy but seems to slide at least 4 or 5 inches in every single drop
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Makes sense to me. That’s why I worry about some people removing wraps to get the hitch to slide easier. Take that to a wet day and you slip just a little and weight it quicker than you normally do and you may be in for a ride.
 
phatkaw said:
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that.
I would've bet money the prussic would jam up fast.

The sliding would be a good thing in a fall situation.
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The three wraps on the bottom don’t do anything, so it’s only three wraps on the top opposing the load. The prusik is popular because it’s easy to tie and works in both directions which doesn’t benefit us
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
The three wraps on the bottom don’t do anything, so it’s only three wraps on the top opposing the load. The prusik is popular because it’s easy to tie and works in both directions which doesn’t benefit us
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It benefits me :D especially in the way I 2TC around limbs now. But you can ask me about that in the 2TC thread lol
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
No but both the schwabisch and regular prusik slid all the way to the stopper knot on a couple drops. I think Jerry had the same issue with the schwabisch in his drops. Typically, the easier a hitch will release under load, the further it’ll slide. The big exception in my experience has been the lowly ol prusik, which binds all sorts of crazy but seems to slide at least 4 or 5 inches in every single drop
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I've had Prussics fail to grab before. While setting up my Muddy lifeline during my transition from ladder stands to saddles, the included Prussics just would not grab for me, no matter how many wraps I put on. If I dressed it, sure, it grabbed fine, but the minute it was unweighted it would go all katterwompus and slide under its own weight. I know Prussics are kinda the "industry standard" but this experience left me uncomfortable with them.

I spent last season with the Sticht. Very happy with it, but sometimes needed more pull to tend out the slack than I expected. Really wrenched on my shoulder a couple of times while tending slack. Had a worse experience with JRB; tied with 6mm Beal I'd almost have to untie it to tend out my slack. Anyone switch from Sticht to WLR or Synergy-X? What are your thoughts?
 
Wow, this hitch grabs first time everytime.
I'm tying it on a 11mm rope looped around my foot with an 8mm cord hitch.
I know I'm not able to fully weight it but my concern for now is how easy it releases.
It seems like more cobra weaves help but not much.
 
Iron_llama said:
I've had Prussics fail to grab before. While setting up my Muddy lifeline during my transition from ladder stands to saddles, the included Prussics just would not grab for me, no matter how many wraps I put on. If I dressed it, sure, it grabbed fine, but the minute it was unweighted it would go all katterwompus and slide under its own weight. I know Prussics are kinda the "industry standard" but this experience left me uncomfortable with them.

I spent last season with the Sticht. Very happy with it, but sometimes needed more pull to tend out the slack than I expected. Really wrenched on my shoulder a couple of times while tending slack. Had a worse experience with JRB; tied with 6mm Beal I'd almost have to untie it to tend out my slack. Anyone switch from Sticht to WLR or Synergy-X? What are your thoughts?
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I didn’t switch but I’ve use the sticht hitch a bunch and still do at time. You really need to have the right combo with any hitch for it to work as desired. Size as well as rope and cord type makes all the difference. I was using 8mm on 11mm and it was so hard to move. 9mm did much better. Like the WLR it will release while weighted. If you’re antsy about that then I will say the Sticht hitch requires just a little more pressure to break than the WLR in my experience. The sticht benefits from be more compact if that matters to you.
 
Bigfoot522 said:
Wow, this hitch grabs first time everytime.
I'm tying it on a 11mm rope looped around my foot with an 8mm cord hitch.
I know I'm not able to fully weight it but my concern for now is how easy it releases.
It seems like more cobra weaves help but not much.
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Remember that it will bind more with more weight so the force to break it will be more with more weight too. Try it at ground level as a tether and see how you like it. Remember if you are using it to rappel it is only holding you when you want to stop.
 
Iron_llama said:
I've had Prussics fail to grab before. While setting up my Muddy lifeline during my transition from ladder stands to saddles, the included Prussics just would not grab for me, no matter how many wraps I put on. If I dressed it, sure, it grabbed fine, but the minute it was unweighted it would go all katterwompus and slide under its own weight. I know Prussics are kinda the "industry standard" but this experience left me uncomfortable with them.

I spent last season with the Sticht. Very happy with it, but sometimes needed more pull to tend out the slack than I expected. Really wrenched on my shoulder a couple of times while tending slack. Had a worse experience with JRB; tied with 6mm Beal I'd almost have to untie it to tend out my slack. Anyone switch from Sticht to WLR or Synergy-X? What are your thoughts?
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Have you tried the Cornell hitch? If not you should. I am a big fan of it
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
Have you tried the Cornell hitch? If not you should. I am a big fan of it
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Biggest fan of the Cornell, that’s me! I’m gotta say I’m learning to like the WLR though. Lots more playing with it before I wholeheartedly buy in, but it has its benefits. I definitely like the top wrap method and how it pretty much guarantees the top wrap won’t get so tight you can’t break it.
I’ve also tried the top half of the WLR with the bottom of the Cornell with mixed results.
 
FrankNess14 said:
Biggest fan of the Cornell, that’s me! I’m gotta say I’m learning to like the WLR though. Lots more playing with it before I wholeheartedly buy in, but it has its benefits. I definitely like the top wrap method and how it pretty much guarantees the top wrap won’t get so tight you can’t break it.
I’ve also tried the top half of the WLR with the bottom of the Cornell with mixed results.
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You need to come down next month and show off those hitch results ;)
 
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