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Woman shot in Wisconsin...

Some people are stupid.
I had someone across the river from me last month. He was shooting a 22 into the water and the shots were bouncing and comming over my property. A neighbor was shooting into their pond 2 years ago, same thing shots flying by my head.
Some people are stupid.
 
In my state we have a 4-month long rifle season. We have a couple of people killed each year. Last turkey season a guy was killed on a wma . The guy was fanning and calling ,the other guy thought he was a turkey .
It would suit me if we were a bow only state.
 
Very unfortunate. “Know your target and what is beyond it” Did he truly know his target for sure? NO! I’m not trying to pass judgement but that’s just pathetic really. He THOUGHT it was an antlerless deer. If you think, but don’t KNOW, you don’t pull the friggin’ trigger!!
 
Jeremy_D said:
His crews ethics where really on display in his newest video.
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Yes. I was amazed that one of his regulars was firing an AR repeatedly in a thicket at a running buck and you could hear the other guy off to his left. It seemed really dicey to me. Then the story of the two adults who stole the young guy's first deer right out from under him. Those guys were not part of Dan's crew but that's just nuts.
 
I've had a couple of close calls now that I think about it. The first was a 45-70 slug going into a tree near me when I was at a deer club down near Meridian as a kid. That was fun. Another time my cousin almost blew off my foot when his 12 gauge slipped and he caught it by the trigger, blowing a hole in the ground near my foot. I've been peppered more times than I can count on dove fields, and one time in high school I was driving down the road and a bullet blew out the passenger side window of my truck.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
I've had a couple of close calls now that I think about it. The first was a 45-70 slug going into a tree near me when I was at a deer club down near Meridian as a kid. That was fun. Another time my cousin almost blew off my foot when his 12 gauge slipped and he caught it by the trigger, blowing a hole in the ground near my foot. I've been peppered more times than I can count on dove fields, and one time in high school I was driving down the road and a bullet blew out the passenger side window of my truck.
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Holy mackerel where do you live? Downtown Fallujah?
 
Actually several years ago my cousin was testing out one of his Uncle’s Model 700 in 7mmRem Mag in the woodchuck field. This was in the late 1980’s. I was with him. He cycled a round and besides the permanent tinnitus it caused in my left ear, it almost took the front quarter panel of my skull right off. The muzzle blast was enough to make me think I was a gonner. Thinking about that now, perhaps it wasn’t his fault. I had a trigger recall years later for mine and in thinking about this incident just realized he could have had a faulty trigger. Edit: To be clear, I wasn’t hit, but it was close…… too close!
 
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woodsdog2 said:
Actually several years ago my cousin was testing out one of his Uncle’s Model 700 in 7mmRem Mag in the woodchuck field. This was in the late 1980’s. I was with him. He cycled a round and besides the permanent tinnitus it caused in my left ear, it almost took the front quarter panel of my skull right off. The muzzle blast was enough to make me think I was a gonner. Thinking about that now, perhaps it wasn’t his fault. I had a trigger recall years later for mine and in thinking about this incident just realized he could have had a faulty trigger. Edit: To be clear, I wasn’t hit, but it was close…… too close!
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These were notorious. It took a long time for those to officially be recalled, in fact I don’t ever remember it becoming official. There was a story on 60 minutes probably 10 years ago or so with interviews with people injured or folks who were there when it happened.
 
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These were notorious. It took a long time for those to officially be recalled, in fact I don’t ever remember it becoming official. There was a story on 60 minutes probably 10 years ago or so with interviews with people injured or folks who were there when it happened.
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There was a big class action settlement. You had so long to sign up and then they sent you a box and you had to send the gun in to a downstate contracted gunsmith to have the new triggers put in. I just bit the bullet and upgraded to a Timney.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Yes. I was amazed that one of his regulars was firing an AR repeatedly in a thicket at a running buck and you could hear the other guy off to his left. It seemed really dicey to me. Then the story of the two adults who stole the young guy's first deer right out from under him. Those guys were not part of Dan's crew but that's just nuts.
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How about the open fire from the guy shooting 10 times and then you hear the other guy blasting away. Then you hear the cross fire again when they swithch to the other camera. I'm just amazed the neighbors heard all that then wouldn't let them go after the deer he hip shot it the thicket. Really pathetic.
 
I was in a club late one night in New Orleans when a guy fired an automatic rifle into the facade - a drive by. Everyone hit the floor. Drummer has three bullet holes in his car. Obviously not related to hunting but there’s nothing scarier than being on the wrong end of a firearm going off….
 
I was a kid in a small rural neighborhood back in the early 80’s. In those days most of the men hunted or were close to people who did. Everyone knew when all the different hunting seasons were. Like it or not most everyone respected the existence of hunting seasons. As kids we stayed out of the woods during Turkey and deer Season, particularly during the very short 2 week shotgun season. There was a common saying: “Leave the woods to the hunters.”

Back then people didn’t walk dogs or really even use leashes. If you had a good dog it was outside and ran free most of the time - except during hunting season. For those few weeks you’d put your dog on the run. Bad dogs lived on runs perpetually. Dogs rarely lived in the house. For these reasons the deer stayed clear of the houses.

Frankly, back then walking and running and hiking and mountain biking and all those other activities just didn’t exist in the deer woods. But things have changed dramatically. There are a plethora of uses of open land and many of them are in conflict with one another. These conflicts are relatively new enough that we really haven’t dealt with the conflict in any truly meaningful ways.

Now it’s worth pointing out that in my region we still have “Open fields” / “Open Land” laws, meaning: all back land is open to public use if it’s not posted - particularly for hunting, fishing and foraging - though through common practice this rule has extended to all uses that doesn’t physically alter the land. So for example you can hunt on unposted private land without asking permission, so long as you access that land without walking through someone’s lawn and provided you don’t permanently hang a tree stand.

Over the past few decades all the various users have benefited from open fields. But the various uses are in increasing conflict, much of that conflict comes from uses that flex the laws - particularly ATV’s, equestrians, mountain bikers, geocachers, metal detectors and hikers. Many of these users are creating new access routes, specifically trails on public and open private land and the big one: users who publish locations and trails in forums, clubs and mapping databases.

In addition to the increased use of these outdoor spaces one of the greatest changes in the general public is the absolute ignorance about the various hunting seasons. Over the past few years I have seen countless people entering and exiting the woods for their recreational activities wearing all black during bear season. It’s common to see dog walkers with off leash dogs - neither the dog or the human wearing any kind of highly visible colors during gun season. On a few occasions ive been confronted by people on WMA’s because they found it inappropriate that I was there with a hunting implement. In all of those cases I had productive conversations with the offended people. One guy said to me: the state should designate places for hunting. I told him they do, and we are standing in it now…

The point of all this is that this Wisconsin case seems to be a good example of the challenge we face. Populations are growing and outdoor spaces are shrinking. The rules and regulations are outdated and antiquated - and most importantly they seem to be increasing unknown to everyone. And a huge portion of the users of these spaces are careless, uniformed or just ignorant. You put all that together and it’s a recipe for chaos.

The solution isn’t simple. I’d suggest that across the board our culture needs to renew the social contracts. I don’t know how we are going to achieve that but if we don’t start having larger dialogs across our interests and uses, we will all lose access to spaces and the activities we cherish.
 
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I think another issue is the lack of respect for life most people have nowadays (could solve a lot of problems if we could improve this). If you respect life then you should aim carefully and try to give the deer a fatal quick shot which means you need to see it well enough. If you are taking the time to do that then a hunter in Wisconsin should notice that it was a dog, especially since dogs are too short to be a deer and even a Great Dane shape is still a far stretch from a deer.

On the flip side, Rifle is 9 days in Wisconsin. I really don't think it is that hard to wear bright orange or pink or just stay away from forestry areas.
 
As a side note, I think that if the law mandates that all hunters using the area wear at lease 500 inches of florescent orange during any firearms season that this should be extended to anyone on that same property during that time period. I'm not for government getting into people's business but how does it make sense to make hunters wear orange and basically tell everyone else to tromp around in the open woods wearing anything they want. It would be fairly easy to post signs at the trail heads saying 500 inches of florescent orange required beyond this point until XYZ date or $500 fine. I do agree it is a general lack of knowledge on people part that puts them at risk. I think if they realized what they were doing they would not do it.
 
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As a side note, I think that if the law mandates that all hunters using the area wear at lease 500 inches of florescent orange during any firearms season that this should be extended to anyone on that same property during that time period. I'm not for government getting into people's business but how does it make sense to make hunters wear orange and basically tell everyone else to tromp around in the open woods wearing anything they want. It would be fairly easy to post signs at the trail heads saying 500 inches of florescent orange required beyond this point until XYZ date or $500 fine. I do agree it is a general lack of knowledge on people part that puts them at risk. I think if they realized what they were doing they would not do it.
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The article did not give alot of info. It did say the women was on private property (who's?).
The shooter was in a vehicle and he was disabled.
 
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