tam9492
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They snap pieces were 3D printed on the show pieces. They will be molded rubber for production
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Lone Wolf Custom Gear
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They snap pieces were 3D printed on the show pieces. They will be molded rubber for production
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Greg posted on FB a picture of both the saddle platform and the stand hanging from a digital fish scale. The stand is 7.13 oz(no strap), the saddle platform was 5lbs 13oz w/ strap, 5 lbs 4oz with no strap.
d_rek
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Cody noted in the sportsmans nation podcast the stand was 7.5lbs 'with everything'. Actual weight is going to be closer to 8.5 w/ strap and seat. Treestand companies seem to always exaggerate the weights
Is machining a stand from a block of aluminum any less innovative than casting one?
That's the thing. Apparently Dan filed patents for the "process" not the "product". It's kind of interesting because I didnt know you could do that but, I agree nothing will come of it. Neither company wants the publicity or cost of fighting it out. They will figure it out.
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What's the difference in being able to patent protect cast like Andre did back in the day vs water jet a solid piece? Not being snarky, just don't understand the difference.
d_rek
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Was asking guy at work about this...
... if the end product is reliant upon a given manufacturing method it can be incorporated into the patent.
So if that stand design was only able to be manufactured using water jetting and someone else held a patent on water jetted stand designs you would have to pay royalties or license their designs.
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NorthwoodsWiscoHnter
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baz77
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Yup I think he got confused with the stand I corrected it later in the thread..I plan to order one of these also soon as it’s available to order. Just to have it along with my predator.
denots
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Well that took a little while to read. I will admit that at first I was a bit shocked by the price. But then learning that the parts have been water jetted out of solid aluminum and not cast makes a lot more sense. I know these items seem very high-priced for some people but I know looking back over the last couple of months I've probably spent well over this amount taking my family out to eat. The sticks and the way they stack is amazing in my opinion. I too prefer a double step but as far as packability nothing else out there touches it. I'm sure the way they lock together will be nice for attaching them to the stand. I myself would still have to add a secondary measure to secure them for fear of losing one walking through the woods and not realizing. No way I'm taking that chance with an $80 stick. The way they stack together I could put three sticks through one d loop like I do with my double step sticks and disconnect them from each other as I needed them in the tree. The only thing that has me thinking is I've yet to see them stacked with ropes on them. Every picture or video I've seen of them stacked it has just been the stick only. I wonder how much trouble the added strap or rope adds?
As far as patents go I'm No Authority on the subject, but if you can patent an organic substance like soybeans in the case of Monsanto then patenting the process in which a product is produced does not seem that far of a stretch. I'm sure the gentleman who own these companies we'll get this figured out or their lawyers will.
I own both of Gen 1 and Gen 2 predator which I love. It has completely changed my comfort level in the saddle.I recently switched to a smaller backpack so my Predator must be fastened to the outside. This creates one more step to my packing up process over putting it on the inside of my pack. Now that has taken place I must say I am not against the idea of a slightly wider platform. I'll have to flip a coin as to whether or not to buy the new saddle platform to try out from LWCG.
As far as patents go I'm No Authority on the subject, but if you can patent an organic substance like soybeans in the case of Monsanto then patenting the process in which a product is produced does not seem that far of a stretch. I'm sure the gentleman who own these companies we'll get this figured out or their lawyers will.
I own both of Gen 1 and Gen 2 predator which I love. It has completely changed my comfort level in the saddle.I recently switched to a smaller backpack so my Predator must be fastened to the outside. This creates one more step to my packing up process over putting it on the inside of my pack. Now that has taken place I must say I am not against the idea of a slightly wider platform. I'll have to flip a coin as to whether or not to buy the new saddle platform to try out from LWCG.
How about $341.25 for 4 sticks? Ok?
"Cutting it out" is new. We haven't seen it on the market. Maybe some rich weight weenie DIY'd one, but otherwise it's clearly new. Andrae's lone wolf patent was for casting a stand out of aluminum or other metals. This is very much the opposite of cutting, and results in a cheaper to manufacture, heavier product. They share the common benefits of strength and ability to stay quiet.
I have no idea on whether such a patent (pending, provisional, or otherwise) exists, who holds it, who filed when, etc.
But if you can patent casting a tree stand, you likely can patent waterjet/cnc/etc. Manufacturing one. It's the process applied to a treestand, and doesn't (as andrae's patent didnt) have anything to do with physical appearance. It's all about the unique application of an advantageous process.
Manufacturing question: why is water-jet cutting better in this application than laser cutting? Isn't laser cutting cheaper?
the design isn't the novel part. The cutting is, and allows for a lighter, stronger product. It's not about whether andrae copied anything, but even then it's not obvious that he didnt copy it. Andrae clearly knew in advance Dan was releasing a stand (and probably knew or inferred the manufacturing process). Whether they came to the idea separately, or (worst case that I am not at all implying!) Andrae launched or revised his product to meet/beat similar weights as Dan's doesn't matter in terms of patent validity. If there's a patent, they need to establish a licensing arrangement.
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Isn’t LWCG using water jet and Dan using machining. Either way a patent on either to make a tree stand would be kind of ridiculous IMO. If Dan’s stands are like his sticks they’ll be too hard to get anyway. I’m still guessing that LWCG or LW might be able to use the cut outs for their cast products and that makes it much more viable. I could be wrong though.