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Can you build a 1.3 pound stick

denots said:
Yeah maybe so. If the weight difference is only about 20 grams between the Lone Wolf single step and the double step that @ImThere is making you should be able to cut that weight difference by just cutting the step off on one side and still only use one Bolt. Can you position the Lone Wolf standoff directly behind the step and use one bolt to go through everything? I don't know that I'm not concerned about shaving such a small amount of weight. I think I'm going to make some ultra-short sticks that are essentially there to hook a multi-step aider to, so I still need a double step on the bottom to hook my aider to. It would essentially be the same thing as using a multi-step aider on a wild Edge step you just don't have to mess with the knot. I found the Versa button or Cam cleat method much easier and faster.

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hahahaha great minds think alike
 
Babshaft said:
Well I got bored this morning and did something crazy before I went out scouting. Your wife will love the sound of a drill press at 5:30 in the morning, trust me.View attachment 4275 View attachment 4276

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Here's the ~ 6" chunk I cut off my helium when I shortened it to a two step stick. I put the stand offs on it and a little versus button to see how it would function as a micro stick. It worked like a charm. Now I personally like a multi step aider. Ontariofarmer essentially taught me how to use one and he couldn't be more accurate. Get the middle of your foot in the aider every time, foot against tree, back straight and stay upright, three points of contact at all times, and take your time.

It's just easier to tie than a stepp and I can carry the aider up with me. It sits on the top of stick and I use a paracord lanyard to keep it attached to me so I can't lose it. Once I'm standing on the steps, get the next stick up, I use the lanyard to pull the aider up to me and up I go.

Personally, I think it'd be best if it was about 9" long. 8" between standoffs, 1" nub to hang aider off, versa button 5" from bottom, steps as low as possible.
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Erniepower made one like that awhile back. I’m not sure he ever tried it though.


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Babshaft said:
Well I got bored this morning and did something crazy before I went out scouting. Your wife will love the sound of a drill press at 5:30 in the morning, trust me.View attachment 4275 View attachment 4276

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Here's the ~ 6" chunk I cut off my helium when I shortened it to a two step stick. I put the stand offs on it and a little versus button to see how it would function as a micro stick. It worked like a charm. Now I personally like a multi step aider. Ontariofarmer essentially taught me how to use one and he couldn't be more accurate. Get the middle of your foot in the aider every time, foot against tree, back straight and stay upright, three points of contact at all times, and take your time.

It's just easier to tie than a stepp and I can carry the aider up with me. It sits on the top of stick and I use a paracord lanyard to keep it attached to me so I can't lose it. Once I'm standing on the steps, get the next stick up, I use the lanyard to pull the aider up to me and up I go.

Personally, I think it'd be best if it was about 9" long. 8" between standoffs, 1" nub to hang aider off, versa button 5" from bottom, steps as low as possible.
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that looks cool
dropping that aider to the steps or bottom bracket and using an amsteel rope mod, I'll bet yours wins the weight category ;)

now an engineer around here needs to design a folding v-bracket.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
By memory a lone wolf step is about 60 g. A double step is 88 g.

You could put a single step on the bottom and a double on top. They would pack well that way


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I'm in the process of moding my lw sticks this way 24" double step on top with the original folding single on the bottom and will probably add an aider. I'll post pics when I'm done.


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sb220 said:
that looks cool
dropping that aider to the steps or bottom bracket and using an amsteel rope mod, I'll bet yours wins the weight category ;)

now an engineer around here needs to design a folding v-bracket.
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I wish I'd had some amsteel kicking around to try, but I didn't so the strap had to come for me to try it out. It'll definitely win in the weight category haha. A folding bracket would be the ultimate I think.
 
Babshaft said:
I wish I'd had some amsteel kicking around to try, but I didn't so the strap had to come for me to try it out. It'll definitely win in the weight category haha. A folding bracket would be the ultimate I think.
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Fairly simple.


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I think Odin stick prototypes had a folding V bracket.

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Babshaft said:
Thanks, I found a video of them:


It almost looked like the V brackets were made of composite. Cool idea for sure.
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Yea, it's too bad they aren't in production. We're all making aluminum sticks but those would be great. Could you imagine Odin sticks with .065 aluminum and modified to two steps ~24" apart? They'd be lighter and solve packability concerns.

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bowhunter15 said:
Yea, it's too bad they aren't in production. We're all making aluminum sticks but those would be great. Could you imagine Odin sticks with .065 aluminum and modified to two steps ~24" apart? They'd be lighter and solve packability concerns.

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Man, that'd be pretty well exactly what we're all looking for. Too bad they didn't really get off the ground. Any idea what polymer or material they were using?
 
bowhunter15 said:
Yea, it's too bad they aren't in production. We're all making aluminum sticks but those would be great. Could you imagine Odin sticks with .065 aluminum and modified to two steps ~24" apart? They'd be lighter and solve packability concerns.

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Yeah they would be pretty badarse. I need to get my hands on some of those stand offs. 10 min and a tape measure! Lol maybe some pics!
Didn’t Dwadecham order some? Did he ever receive them?


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Babshaft said:
Well I got bored this morning and did something crazy before I went out scouting. Your wife will love the sound of a drill press at 5:30 in the morning, trust me.View attachment 4275 View attachment 4276

View attachment 4277


Here's the ~ 6" chunk I cut off my helium when I shortened it to a two step stick. I put the stand offs on it and a little versus button to see how it would function as a micro stick. It worked like a charm. Now I personally like a multi step aider. Ontariofarmer essentially taught me how to use one and he couldn't be more accurate. Get the middle of your foot in the aider every time, foot against tree, back straight and stay upright, three points of contact at all times, and take your time.

It's just easier to tie than a stepp and I can carry the aider up with me. It sits on the top of stick and I use a paracord lanyard to keep it attached to me so I can't lose it. Once I'm standing on the steps, get the next stick up, I use the lanyard to pull the aider up to me and up I go.

Personally, I think it'd be best if it was about 9" long. 8" between standoffs, 1" nub to hang aider off, versa button 5" from bottom, steps as low as possible.
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This is exactly what I had in mind. Doesn't get much more compact or lighter than that. If I can get it 7' on the tree, which shouldn't be that hard for me, 28' for 4 would be awesome. I guarantee you can make a stick that size under 1.3 lb!

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ImThere said:
Yes sir without a doubt they would fit. I would have to tell the machine shop they were for the 1/4 -20 bolt on the lone wolfs instead of the 5/16-18 on the Muddys. It wouldn't be a problem (when He gets up and running). You wanting the double step? I'm not sure what the single lone wolf step weighs so I cannot tell you how much more it will weigh (I'm assuming my double steps are heavier than the lone wolf single steps) @Ontarionfarmer can tell you for sure He is the official weights and measures . They are leaps and bounds more comfortable being double vs single steps.
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@Ontariofarmer has your steps at 86 grams (3 ozs.) How wide are your steps? Are they 3/8" thick?
I tried to make some similar to yours out of my garage using 6061-t6 1-1/2" x 3/8" x 9 1/2" long. Mine didn't line up as good as they should have and weighed 6 ozs. I may want to buy a set of yours if and when they become available.
Thanks.
 
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Babshaft said:
Well I got bored this morning and did something crazy before I went out scouting. Your wife will love the sound of a drill press at 5:30 in the morning, trust me.View attachment 4275 View attachment 4276

View attachment 4277


Here's the ~ 6" chunk I cut off my helium when I shortened it to a two step stick. I put the stand offs on it and a little versus button to see how it would function as a micro stick. It worked like a charm. Now I personally like a multi step aider. Ontariofarmer essentially taught me how to use one and he couldn't be more accurate. Get the middle of your foot in the aider every time, foot against tree, back straight and stay upright, three points of contact at all times, and take your time.

It's just easier to tie than a stepp and I can carry the aider up with me. It sits on the top of stick and I use a paracord lanyard to keep it attached to me so I can't lose it. Once I'm standing on the steps, get the next stick up, I use the lanyard to pull the aider up to me and up I go.

Personally, I think it'd be best if it was about 9" long. 8" between standoffs, 1" nub to hang aider off, versa button 5" from bottom, steps as low as possible.
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For me it looks a nice and light way to get a good start off the ground. Pretty cool!
 
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