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Can you build a 1.3 pound stick

ImThere said:
I’m waiting on my machinist to get his CNC up and running at the moment. I have tried several different machine shops locally they cannot touch his price.
I will let you guys know when he is back in business


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Ricky,
Will your steps fit on Lone Wolf sticks using the standoff bolts? I'd like to cut my LW sticks to 24" and use two of your steps per stick. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
 
BRAVEHEART said:
Ricky,
Will your steps fit on Lone Wolf sticks using the standoff bolts? I'd like to cut my LW sticks to 24" and use two of your steps per stick. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Bill
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Yes sir without a doubt they would fit. I would have to tell the machine shop they were for the 1/4 -20 bolt on the lone wolfs instead of the 5/16-18 on the Muddys. It wouldn't be a problem (when He gets up and running). You wanting the double step? I'm not sure what the single lone wolf step weighs so I cannot tell you how much more it will weigh (I'm assuming my double steps are heavier than the lone wolf single steps) @Ontarionfarmer can tell you for sure He is the official weights and measures . They are leaps and bounds more comfortable being double vs single steps.
 
ImThere said:
Yes sir without a doubt they would fit. I would have to tell the machine shop they were for the 1/4 -20 bolt on the lone wolfs instead of the 5/16-18 on the Muddys. It wouldn't be a problem (when He gets up and running). You wanting the double step? I'm not sure what the single lone wolf step weighs so I cannot tell you how much more it will weigh (I'm assuming my double steps are heavier than the lone wolf single steps) @Ontarionfarmer can tell you for sure He is the official weights and measures . They are leaps and bounds more comfortable being double vs single steps.
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By memory a lone wolf step is about 60 g. A double step is 88 g.

You could put a single step on the bottom and a double on top. They would pack well that way


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Ontariofarmer said:
By memory a lone wolf step is about 60 g. A double step is 88 g.

You could put a single step on the bottom and a double on top. They would pack well that way


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But a single step requires 2 bolts, and a double only the 1.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
We are all different with different situation. We steps rock for some saddle hunters. I keep trying to like them and will keep trying until I sell them


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I understand. I don’t use just one system. WE stepps is the newest to my arsenal. It’s the packability that sold me. What is it that you don’t like about them?
 
Babshaft said:
How are you all planning to pack your fixed step sticks in? I got my hands on my first fixed step sticks last weekend and found the packability to be a potential concern.

Any insight as to the best way to maneuver through the bush?
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I'll take a picture next week. Still busy....

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ImThere said:
I just us a shoulder sling and keep the sticks pointing forward. For now.


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This is what I did last year too, until it got cold enough that I started using a pack. Then I stuck them in the stick talons on my platform and lashed to the outside of the pack. Worked, but wasn't elegant or super stable. With the shoulder sling it's fine until you gotta walk through weeds, tall prairie, or brush.

I've tried putting them inside my pack too, with the V brackets facing out. I can't zip the pack shut, but just leave the top open and use load lifter straps to keep the sticks tight to the back. It actually was very comfortable and light. 2 hands free is always a plus. They don't move around much either.

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bowhunter15 said:
This is what I did last year too, until it got cold enough that I started using a pack. Then I stuck them in the stick talons on my platform and lashed to the outside of the pack. Worked, but wasn't elegant or super stable. With the shoulder sling it's fine until you gotta walk through weeds, tall prairie, or brush.

I've tried putting them inside my pack too, with the V brackets facing out. I can't zip the pack shut, but just leave the top open and use load lifter straps to keep the sticks tight to the back. It actually was very comfortable and light. 2 hands free is always a plus. They don't move around much either.

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I strap my sticks to the outside of my pack using nite ize gear ties. I found that full-length 3-step sticks got hung up on branches and brush a lot but I don't have that problem nearly as much with shorter 2-step sticks (I cut down my hawk heliums).

Using a backpack that properly distributes the weight to your hips, I personally feel that minimizing bulk is more important than minimizing weight. At least with the weights that we are carrying around which are pretty light compared to a hiking pack for an overnight trip, for instance. Everybody prioritizes differently, though, I understand...
 
drew13 said:
I strap my sticks to the outside of my pack using nite ize gear ties. I found that full-length 3-step sticks got hung up on branches and brush a lot but I don't have that problem nearly as much with shorter 2-step sticks (I cut down my hawk heliums).

Using a backpack that properly distributes the weight to your hips, I personally feel that minimizing bulk is more important than minimizing weight. At least with the weights that we are carrying around which are pretty light compared to a hiking pack for an overnight trip, for instance. Everybody prioritizes differently, though, I understand...
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Yes, bulk and how stable it is. I noticed that the difference in perceived weight between trying to strap sticks to my little ultralight REI pack vs locking them down in my heavier hunting pack with the load lifters to keep everything tight to the back was pretty significant. It brings up the thought, "Why not strap them to a small frame specifically sized for the sticks?

Could work well, but the pack is more versatile. I think plenty of guys could get by by without a pack at all and a frame would be something that would just get left at the base of the tree.

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redsquirrel said:
But a single step requires 2 bolts, and a double only the 1.
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Imthere step only requires one because it is notched in the back correct? To make it a single step you should just cut the step off of one side just passed the post to leave the notch intact. This way you would cut a little weight (not very much) and still be able to get away with one Bolt.

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denots said:
Imthere step only requires one because it is notched in the back correct? To make it a single step you should just cut the step off of one side just passed the post to leave the notch intact. This way you would cut a little weight (not very much) and still be able to get away with one Bolt.

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I think the was referring to a folding one step requiring two bolts. I don’t see the weight savings being enough for a fixed one step.
 
denots said:
Imthere step only requires one because it is notched in the back correct? To make it a single step you should just cut the step off of one side just passed the post to leave the notch intact. This way you would cut a little weight (not very much) and still be able to get away with one Bolt.

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EricS said:
I think the was referring to a folding one step requiring two bolts. I don’t see the weight savings being enough for a fixed one step.
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Yeah maybe so. If the weight difference is only about 20 grams between the Lone Wolf single step and the double step that @ImThere is making you should be able to cut that weight difference by just cutting the step off on one side and still only use one Bolt. Can you position the Lone Wolf standoff directly behind the step and use one bolt to go through everything? I don't know that I'm not concerned about shaving such a small amount of weight. I think I'm going to make some ultra-short sticks that are essentially there to hook a multi-step aider to, so I still need a double step on the bottom to hook my aider to. It would essentially be the same thing as using a multi-step aider on a wild Edge step you just don't have to mess with the knot. I found the Versa button or Cam cleat method much easier and faster.

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Well I got bored this morning and did something crazy before I went out scouting. Your wife will love the sound of a drill press at 5:30 in the morning, trust me.IMG_2551.JPG IMG_2552.JPG

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Here's the ~ 6" chunk I cut off my helium when I shortened it to a two step stick. I put the stand offs on it and a little versus button to see how it would function as a micro stick. It worked like a charm. Now I personally like a multi step aider. Ontariofarmer essentially taught me how to use one and he couldn't be more accurate. Get the middle of your foot in the aider every time, foot against tree, back straight and stay upright, three points of contact at all times, and take your time.

It's just easier to tie than a stepp and I can carry the aider up with me. It sits on the top of stick and I use a paracord lanyard to keep it attached to me so I can't lose it. Once I'm standing on the steps, get the next stick up, I use the lanyard to pull the aider up to me and up I go.

Personally, I think it'd be best if it was about 9" long. 8" between standoffs, 1" nub to hang aider off, versa button 5" from bottom, steps as low as possible.
 
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