Electric bikes

[Erniepower]

The Rad Rover is a rear hub motor right? Not sure that would be the right choice for my hilly hunting purposes. I think having the gearing of a mid drive motor would serve me better.


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Correct, however they seen to get good reviews.

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[g2outdoors]

The Rad Rover is a rear hub motor right? Not sure that would be the right choice for my hilly hunting purposes. I think having the gearing of a mid drive motor would serve me better.


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Watch some reviews on YouTube about using the RR on hills. It does great.

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[Cajunshooter]

Watch some reviews on YouTube about using the RR on hills. It does great.

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I have watch some of the video reviews but I don’t see anyone off roading on rough, rocky, muddy, steep inclines loaded down with gear. I’ve seen them on roads with slight inclines over a long distance but not what I would consider a climb. Have you?


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[g2outdoors]

Have watch some of the video reviews but I don’t see anyone off reading on rough, rocky, muddy, steep inclines loaded down with gear. I’ve seen them on roads with slight inclines over a long distance but not what I would consider a climb. Have you?


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Yeah. Several weeks ago when I was deep into research, I saw a few where guys were testing them on really steep hills. They weren't loaded with gear though.

Maybe the mid drive motor would make a big difference with weight? Is that one of the benefits? I'm far from an expert in this.

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[DaveT1963]

I have watch some of the video reviews but I don’t see anyone off riding on rough, rocky, muddy, steep inclines loaded down with gear. I’ve seen them on roads with slight inclines over a long distance but not what I would consider a climb. Have you?


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Bingo. I also learned this with Kayak carts. They were great when traversing roads and level ground - try using them up/down hills, across logs/sticks and over creeks and you will soon find out they are not all built for that. It makes a big difference.

 

[Cajunshooter]

Yeah. Several weeks ago when I was deep into research, I saw a few where guys were testing them on really steep hills. They weren't loaded with gear though.

Maybe the mid drive motor would make a big difference with weight? Is that one of the benefits? I'm far from an expert in this.

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Well the thing is, if you a front sprocket that you can very in size and a rear cassette set of 5 or so sprockets that you can change at will, then you can gear it for any terrain.

With the rear motor you are pretty much fixed. I understand they recently started making a rear motor that has some gearing but that has to be pretty limited.


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[g2outdoors]

Well the thing is, if you a front sprocket that you can very in size and a rear cassette set of 5 or so sprockets that you can change at will, then you can gear it for any terrain.

With the rear motor you are pretty much fixed. I understand they recently started making a rear motor that has some gearing but that has to be pretty limited.


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Good to know. Is that one of the benefits of the Rambo bikes? The mid drives are a LOT more expensive. I wonder if it's worth the tradeoffs.

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[g2outdoors]

Bingo. I also learned this with Kayak carts. They were great when traversing roads and level ground - try using them up/down hills, across logs/sticks and over creeks and you will soon find out they are not all built for that. It makes a big difference.

This is very true. I ended up going to the Boonedox Landing gear for my Hobie. It works great.

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[Cajunshooter]

Good to know. Is that one of the benefits of the Rambo bikes? The mid drives are a LOT more expensive. I wonder if it's worth the tradeoffs.

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I’m not really familiar with all the pre-built brands of bikes. I’m mostly interested in building my own unless I can get a better pre-built for a better price.

That’s going to be tough though because I already have a Trek mountain bike to convert to electric. It appears I can get an really good mid-drive electric kit from Luna for far less than the whole bike and then I can switch that motor kit to any bike I want to in the future. Although I think my Trek will probably hold up as well as anything else. The Luna kit will cost me about $800 and the bike is going to cost me nothing.

I just know that having the ability to change gearing to anything you want to on the fly is a huge advantage over fixed if you are going to be off road. When on the road it doesn’t make that big of a difference.


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[DaveT1963]

This is very true. I ended up going to the Boonedox Landing gear for my Hobie. It works great.

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I made one using 1/5 inch PVC that worked ok. I am going to have one made out of aluminum tubing and it will have a handle that extends out past the kayak so I am pulling on the cart not the kayak. Unfortunately, I have so many fallen logs that I would bent one of those carts w/i 5 minutes and reality is most kayak carts do not attach to kayaks very well and slip - for me a better alternative is to PULL on the kayak and have the kayak sit on top strapped down along for the ride. When I try to pull my current kart (and several I have bought) what happens when a lof is encounter it that the cart tends to lock up and you pull on the kayak and it slips. Not a good technique for me

 

[g2outdoors]

I made one using 1/5 inch PVC that worked ok. I am going to have one made out of aluminum tubing and it will have a handle that extends out past the kayak so I am pulling on the cart not the kayak. Unfortunately, I have so many fallen logs that I would bent one of those carts w/i 5 minutes and reality is most kayak carts do not attach to kayaks very well and slip - for me a better alternative is to PULL on the kayak and have the kayak sit on top strapped down along for the ride. When I try to pull my current kart (and several I have bought) what happens when a lof is encounter it that the cart tends to lock up and you pull on the kayak and it slips. Not a good technique for me

Exactly. I had the same issues. Here's a fix.

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[g2outdoors]

Sorry! I'm hijacking the thread.

No more kayak talk. Dave, pm me to talk carts.

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[Cajunshooter]

Electric bikes?

 

[g2outdoors]

I’m not really familiar with all the pre-built brands of bikes. I’m mostly interested in building my own unless I can get a better pre-built for a better price.

That’s going to be tough though because I already have a Trek mountain bike to convert to electric. It appears I can get an really good mid-drive electric kit from Luna for far less than the whole bike and then I can switch that motor kit to any bike I want to in the future. Although I think my Trek will probably hold up as well as anything else. The Luna kit will cost me about $800 and the bike is going to cost me nothing.

I just know that having the ability to change gearing to anything you want to on the fly is a huge advantage over fixed if you are going to be off road. When on the road it doesn’t make that big of a difference.


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I need to do more research. I could have sworn the Rad Rover bikes switched gears. Maybe not.

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[Cajunshooter]

I need to do more research. I could have sworn the Rad Rover bikes switched gears. Maybe not.

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It looks to me like they do switch gears when pedaling.


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[KartShot]

I'm going to get my fatbike to get under way on my build before to long here.

 

[Ontariofarmer]

My Norco 6.1 e has a rear drive and 9 speeds. It will go up any hill loaded with a 200 pound guy and gear so long as you are moving at the start. I can go up a ditch bank so long as I am moving a bit to start and pedal a bit. Some friends kids were using it and doing jumps off the side road and getting air borne. The one kid or young man weighed well over 200 pounds. I guess he was not a kid... 20 years old.
As far as rocks or logs or muck it will not work well unless the muck is shallow. If you hit a rock or log it will and has knocked me off my bike. Your center of gravity is high so that can be expected. But I can go through knee high grass ag fields trails with no problem.

I suppose it is not any different than a game cart in the wrong terrian.

One disadvantage of gears on an e bike - they can plug up with grass and mud over time or quickly if conditions are bad.

The rear drive motor is not a problem for torque, gears or anything else. I just bought a second e bike for my wife. It is an elby with the same bionix engine and panasonic battery. It has a 3 year warranty and is built by Magna... a very large international auto parts manufacturer based in Ontario. Yes it is Canadian made and not made in China.
I paid 2999$ cnd dollars for her bike and mine. Or $2400 US dollars each. A mid range priced e bike that is not junk and well built.
Well built, good warranty. I have had my bike for two years with no problems.

Both bikes come with hydraulic disk brakes and regenerative battery capabilities, It will charge the battery if you put it on negative assist or when going down a hill or when you brake. It has 4 levels of assist... 30%, 65, 100, 300%. I think those are the levels of assist. It also has a throttle so you do not have to peddle at all.
Her bike is not a fat bike but we intend to ride it on local bike trails. -- an old rail line.

I doubt many ebikes have the same warranty backed by a reliable company. You get what you pay for. I like my ebike. They do not make the Norco 6.1 E anymore but you can buy the same e bike kit from Bionix and put it on many bikes.

 

[Apex7]

Where did he get a 1200 Rad Rover? Used?

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No new

 

[Apex7]

No new

They normally go for 1499 with free shipping in th lower 48 states.

 

[Cajunshooter]

My Norco 6.1 e has a rear drive and 9 speeds. It will go up any hill loaded with a 200 pound guy and gear so long as you are moving at the start. I can go up a ditch bank so long as I am moving a bit to start and pedal a bit. Some friends kids were using it and doing jumps off the side road and getting air borne. The one kid or young man weighed well over 200 pounds. I guess he was not a kid... 20 years old.
As far as rocks or logs or muck it will not work well unless the muck is shallow. If you hit a rock or log it will and has knocked me off my bike. Your center of gravity is high so that can be expected. But I can go through knee high grass ag fields trails with no problem.

I suppose it is not any different than a game cart in the wrong terrian.

One disadvantage of gears on an e bike - they can plug up with grass and mud over time or quickly if conditions are bad.

The rear drive motor is not a problem for torque, gears or anything else. I just bought a second e bike for my wife. It is an elby with the same bionix engine and panasonic battery. It has a 3 year warranty and is built by Magna... a very large international auto parts manufacturer based in Ontario. Yes it is Canadian made and not made in China.
I paid 2999$ cnd dollars for her bike and mine. Or $2400 US dollars each. A mid range priced e bike that is not junk and well built.
Well built, good warranty. I have had my bike for two years with no problems.

Both bikes come with hydraulic disk brakes and regenerative battery capabilities, It will charge the battery if you put it on negative assist or when going down a hill or when you brake. It has 4 levels of assist... 30%, 65, 100, 300%. I think those are the levels of assist. It also has a throttle so you do not have to peddle at all.
Her bike is not a fat bike but we intend to ride it on local bike trails. -- an old rail line.

I doubt many ebikes have the same warranty backed by a reliable company. You get what you pay for. I like my ebike. They do not make the Norco 6.1 E anymore but you can buy the same e bike kit from Bionix and put it on many bikes.

Ontario, does your bike have 9 speeds inside the hub? So you’re able to shift to 9 different gears using the throttle only and not having to pedal?


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