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H2 vs tethrd?

Westdesign03 said:
Does anyone know of where to find a photo of the Triad bridge from H2? I can’t seem to find a decent photo of it anywhere.

Also, I just added a Utilibridge from Custom AmSteel to my H2. I like it but was a little rough to get it to work right for me. Wondering if I should maybe try the Triad instead. Or are they almost the same thing?


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This thread contains video of the Triad at the start. The last post contains a video on how to tie one on to a saddle

H2 Triad Bridge

Well that didn't take long
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iamcorey said:
Can you explain because I don’t really understand why such a high cost of one vs the other? Just more overhead and marketing?




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Many reasons why one company would have more overhead. Liability insurance is a huge one and one companies ground level disclaimer suggests that it isn’t on the same level. One company may use a sew shop that meets certain certifications and the other may be put together by students in a home economics class or a local awning shop. At the end of the day insurance, testing, and place of assembly doesn’t necessarily mean one is better than the other. But if you got hurt because of a poorly constructed saddle one company would probably go out of buisiness because of rising insurance costs or an outright refusal for them to be covered but you’ll still get paid by their insurance company. The other company would say it was for ground use only, shut down the website, and h3 saddles would be born. You may get the equity of his house but you won’t get enough to cover hospitalization costs.
Then there is costs of extra employees, Innovation and testing costs money as well.Im in no way saying profit margins on saddles aren’t good.But don’t think that one company that sells a saddle much less than the other doesn’t have similar or better margins. you should inspect your gear and be responsible for your own safety because a quadriplegic that gets a good settlement is still not able to do the things he once loved. Learn where the points are on your saddle that a failure could result in a fall and routinely inspect those areas. A good design only has a couple seams that could result in a fall so it’s not that hard to take your safety into your own hands. Percentage wise the ez hunter probably has a better profit margin with the sit drag than any saddle company. At the end of the day none of this really matters but just know your not comparing apples to apples.
 
Well said @EricS. "testing" is a vague word. Pulling a saddle until it rips is not the same as load testing stitching at all the locations, by the guys that do that for a living. Like you said, just know what you are getting into and inspect it daily, take responsibility for your equipment and you should be fine. Personally I would not take backyard testing as testing but that is just me. Do I think if all of these new companies did proper testing that they would be ok? I do, there may be some stitch locations that may need to be beefed up or made a longer overlap etc. That is when this gets costly also, revamps and adjustments from the recommedation of the testing facility. I may be over reacting but I know my family would have a hard time without my paycheck.
 
Jefferson10940 said:
Well said @EricS. "testing" is a vague word. Pulling a saddle until it rips is not the same as load testing stitching at all the locations, by the guys that do that for a living. Like you said, just know what you are getting into and inspect it daily, take responsibility for your equipment and you should be fine. Personally I would not take backyard testing as testing but that is just me. Do I think if all of these new companies did proper testing that they would be ok? I do, there may be some stitch locations that may need to be beefed up or made a longer overlap etc. That is when this gets costly also, revamps and adjustments from the recommedation of the testing facility. I may be over reacting but I know my family would have a hard time without my paycheck.
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Exactly. I haven’t seen anything that scares me commercially. If anything one company may put too many stitches in their webbing weakening it. It may just be the contrasting color of the thread that makes it looked almost embroidered. I have no reason to think it’s not strong enough for our uses and definitely not going to spend my check testing it. Either way I’ve hunted from a sit drag without a harness and it has to be the lowest quality saddle I’ve had in my hands.
 
I am not worried about saddle failure. If I was I would buy a kestrel. It is heavy and rugged and maybe Not tested. I don’t know.
The kestrel is over built. The buckles the webbing etc
If saddle sales get really high they will be made where labor is cheap and prices will plummet
Volume should cause overhead per saddle to drop. Ie pro staff marketing testing etc

As far as the original question. Phantom or H2. You won’t know until you sit in them for 8 hours. A 5 minute sit at a show is inadequate
I suspect they are both good but personal preference will rule.

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PJC said:
I love my Flex and my H2. Can’t seem to part with either.


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I also eyed up the flex. What would you say are the differences between the flex and H2? I can see from photos differences in them but curious with the difference in how they feel. I have the H2 but no experience with any other saddles.


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Ontariofarmer said:
I am not worried about saddle failure. If I was I would buy a kestrel. It is heavy and rugged and maybe Not tested. I don’t know.
The kestrel is over built. The buckles the webbing etc
If saddle sales get really high they will be made where labor is cheap and prices will plummet
Volume should cause overhead per saddle to drop. Ie pro staff marketing testing etc

As far as the original question. Phantom or H2. You won’t know until you sit in them for 8 hours. A 5 minute sit at a show is inadequate
I suspect they are both good but personal preference will rule.

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So true.
I would skydive with my chute attached to a kestrel. I’m pretty sure Trophyline is manufacturing where labor is cheap.
Also correct about sitting in saddles. Subtle differences between one or the other don’t show up until about three hours for me. An 8 hour sit will tell you most of what you need to know. The second day in a row with a long sit tests every setup but then you have to make adjustments and try again.
 
Westdesign03 said:
I also eyed up the flex. What would you say are the differences between the flex and H2? I can see from photos differences in them but curious with the difference in how they feel. I have the H2 but no experience with any other saddles.


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I have a flex. It is very comfortable but I wish the pleat would remain closed when I don’t need it. I think the flex is heavier than the H2 as well. I will be trying an H2 soon.
I doubt anyone builds a saddle as robust as aero hunter but at the cost of more weight. They stand behind the product too. They are replacing my flex because it was an earlier model that suffered cosmetic failure to the rubber coating on the seat


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Westdesign03 said:
I also eyed up the flex. What would you say are the differences between the flex and H2? I can see from photos differences in them but curious with the difference in how they feel. I have the H2 but no experience with any other saddles.


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I would say the H2 is slightly more comfortable around my back. The waist strap once set will not loosen up on long hikes. I also ordered mine without leg straps, which I prefer.
The Flex, I like being able to adjust my waist belt from walk-in to climbing, to hunting. Easy to do with their buckle/strap combo. Harder to do with the H2. Not impossible. But it’s something I find myself doing fairly frequently especially when adding layers.


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Ontariofarmer said:
I have a flex. It is very comfortable but I wish the pleat would remain closed when I don’t need it. I think the flex is heavier than the H2 as well. I will be trying an H2 soon.
I doubt anyone builds a saddle as robust as aero hunter but at the cost of more weight. They stand behind the product too. They are replacing my flex because it was an earlier model that suffered cosmetic failure to the rubber coating on the seat


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Gotcha. That’s awesome they’re replacing it. They look really nice. I figured they were a little heavier. If I ever get another saddle it’ll be something from aero.


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iamcorey said:
Can you explain because I don’t really understand why such a high cost of one vs the other? Just more overhead and marketing?




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Tethered hype vs H2 quality. Sat in them both that is why I will buy my H2 this month. $175 with the new adjustable bridge Vs. the basic $199 Tethered Mantis. The Phantom though looks a lot like the H2 at a premium price. Just my opinion for what that might be worth. not asking for any approval from the gallery.
 
Arkansas Deer Wacker said:
Tethered hype vs H2 quality. Sat in them both that is why I will buy my H2 this month. $175 with the new adjustable bridge Vs. the basic $199 Tethered Mantis. The Phantom though looks a lot like the H2 at a premium price. Just my opinion for what that might be worth. not asking for any approval from the gallery.
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We really don’t know yet Time will tell


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I would prefer to review it after a long sit. Maybe I will take it turkey hunting once. But the Jx 3 is hard to beat when killing turkeys.


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EricS said:
Here’s a picture of me in the first phantom prototype I tested. It was well before I had even heard of Heath Hart. Not sure when I got it but this pic is almost a year old and 70lbs ago.


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Some things never change. Likewise, was testing prototypes long before H2 was an idea.
 
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