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John Eberhart's Kestrel modifactions

Cajun Kamikaze said:
Yea, that didnt come out properly. Let me redescribe. I climbed in a friends lock on and got set up in my sit drag. Felt like i was in the taj mahal

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My lock-on stand has been my go to platform for my Kestrel. Makes a perfect combination of the best features of both.
 
John Eberhart said:
Milkweed used to see which way the deer would wind you from once on stand. Really? That is sooooooo old school and archaic as I used it in the late 60's and 70's before wind checkers were available and obviously haven't used anything for the past 18 seasons. In fact the guy that showed me milkweed used it in the 50's.

Truth be told!!!
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Agreed. It was an awesome site in the early years. A lot of information exchange from veteran hunters with different experiences. It has gotten a lot more close minded. I still sign on to read but post far less than I use too.

It also lost the homey feeling of this website and became a lot more like ArcheryTalk. Growing pains.

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I learn from both sites but but. The beast is a little closed minded and likes to suppress freedom of expression. Sometimes in a nasty way. I hope we can remain gentleman and respectful of a variety of opinions - even milkweed
Even when we disagree. My father law loved to say everyone is entitled to their own ridiculous opinion. I liked that

I think Dan And John are successful hunters but different.
Flinginairos is successful and different. Why?? What can I learn from each one. That is all I care about. Taking differences personally is unnecessary The thread on the beast on John and Dans podcast became too nasty and one sided.
Someone once told me that loving my enemy was the way to go The way men feel love is by being respected. I wish Dan and John had more respect for one another as successful hunters. But different
In approach


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Agreed. It was an awesome site in the early years. A lot of information exchange from veteran hunters with different experiences. It has gotten a lot more close minded. I still sign on to read but post far less than I use too.

It also lost the homey feeling of this website and became a lot more like ArcheryTalk. Growing pains.

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Seriously......ArcheryTalk???


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Hi John
I just wanted to say your behaviour has generally been better than Dan or beast behaviour. Not perfect but better. Don’t respond in kind to the nasty behaviour exhibited by the beasts. And compliment Dan when you recognize his successes

Someone once said It will be like pouring hot coals on his head
Or someone else said a gentle answer turns away wrath


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I've got all of Dan's DVDs and all of the Eberhart books (sorry John but getting your DVD's in Canada is like trying to import drugs lol). I watch the DVD's and read the Eberhart books multiple times a year to try and get as much information to stick in my thick skull as possible. The more I read and watch, the more I see similarities between the two of you. The only real difference I see is on the scent control topic. Since I didn't know which route to take; I took both!

I like to think if John and Dan had a baby, I would be it. I'm just a baby in terms of becoming an actual hunter, but this has been my most successful year to date. I think the saddle has been the biggest change for me because I have the ability to get in and hunt those deep spots without being intimidated by a long trek with a tree stand. Thanks for putting me on to it John and thanks to all of you here: this place is awesome.

Thanks for sharing all your information and experience with us; truly amazing!

I find a lot of members from both communities provide a ton of information and experience. Especially those that are on both forums. If you guys only knew how much you helped other hunters. I don't think any belief or opinion in saddle vs tree stand or scent control vs wind should prevent you experienced guys from helping the inexperienced guys out.

Just keep doing what you're doing, and I thank you for it!
 
Babshaft said:
I've got all of Dan's DVDs and all of the Eberhart books (sorry John but getting your DVD's in Canada is like trying to import drugs lol). I watch the DVD's and read the Eberhart books multiple times a year to try and get as much information to stick in my thick skull as possible. The more I read and watch, the more I see similarities between the two of you. The only real difference I see is on the scent control topic. Since I didn't know which route to take; I took both!

I like to think if John and Dan had a baby, I would be it. I'm just a baby in terms of becoming an actual hunter, but this has been my most successful year to date. I think the saddle has been the biggest change for me because I have the ability to get in and hunt those deep spots without being intimidated by a long trek with a tree stand. Thanks for putting me on to it John and thanks to all of you here: this place is awesome.

Thanks for sharing all your information and experience with us; truly amazing!

I find a lot of members from both communities provide a ton of information and experience. Especially those that are on both forums. If you guys only knew how much you helped other hunters. I don't think any belief or opinion in saddle vs tree stand or scent control vs wind should prevent you experienced guys from helping the inexperienced guys out.

Just keep doing what you're doing, and I thank you for it!
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Good post and my thoughts as well. As a new hunter they have helped me too. And so have many others on these sites
John and Dan both believe in scent control
One tries to keep it from going anywhere and one tries to control where it goes. I do both too
I am sure scent lok will not work in the hot south and I am sure it will not work if you are not meticulous and detail oriented. Hence the beast methods


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I’m one of the guys that employs tactics from both John and Dan and I think there is much to learn from both. You have to take the info they give and use it to fit your style and area of hunting. I really enjoy the info shared on here and the hunting beast and I can say the info I have soaked up from both have changed my hunting and success completely. Do I take everything I hear as gospel? Nope, sure don’t! I simply pick and choose what works for me.


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John .... agree 100%, Myles Keller is my absolute favorite. He was hunting beds long before the modern guys, who think they popularized bed hunting. Unfortunately there is so much bad information out there like their bucks routinely use the same beds day after day. While they truly might use the same bedding areas, there is no research and no one that I know has ever set up a camera and caught the same buck using the same bed day after day. Telemetry studies even verify bedding areas but hardy show consistent same bed use. And what is funny is even on their kill posts, very few people consistently take a buck in early October by hunting solo beds… most of them wind up killing in November. I personally think you are spot on in that most people ruin their chance at a good but because they tried to hunt them too early at a time when it's too inconsistent that.. they would be far better off holding off on hunting those great spots in early November or at the very least late October.

And I do like the hunting B site, but my experience over there has been similar to what others mentioned above.
 
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DaveT1963 said:
John .... agree 100%, Myles Keller is my absolute favorite. He was hunting beds long before the modern guys, who think they popularized bed hunting. Unfortunately there is so much bad information out there like their bucks routinely use the same beds day after day. While they truly might use the same bedding areas, there is no research and no one that I know has ever set up a camera and caught the same buck using the same bed day after day. Telemetry studies even verify bedding address but hardy show consistent same bed use. And what is funny is even in their kill post, very few people take a buck in early October by hunting solo beds… most of them wind up killing in November. I personally think you are spot on in that most people ruin their chance at a good but because they tried to hunt them too early at a time when it's too inconsistent that.. they would be far better off holding off on hunting those great spots in early November or at the very least late October.

And I do like the hunting B site, but my experience over there has been similar to what others mentioned above.
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I'm hope I'm not derailing this thread too much, but where do you suggest hunting early season Dave? I've always had a hard time figuring that one out and I pushed a beautiful buck I had on camera nocturnal trying to hunt him too early. Anyone else with any ideas?
 
John Eberhart said:
My personal all time favorite personality is far and away, Myles Keller and I don't even know if he's still bow hunting. He got it done and was always looking for that extra edge like wearing a shower cap to cut down on hair follicle odor before ScentLok. His driving around job gave him a slight advantage as he would see big bucks and get permission to hunt them and then get-er done. He took a lot of book bucks on a lot of different properties and that's something I respect big time. I just wished he would have given out more information on his own as opposed to only in interviews. One thing I always noticed about Myles at shows is he always was alone when walking the isles. He was a loner hunter and due to his success, the media came to him, he didn't go looking for it.

Myles also did it before all this land managements stuff where now there's lots of properties with many mature bucks on them which I guess is fine, but you just never know the circumstances behind kills anymore.

That's one thing about this site, it's definitely not close minded and we all have a common hunting bond in that we all hunt from harnesses. I'm very aware a lot of hunters on this site think a scent control regimen can't be done to the degree downwind deer can't wind them and I'm good with that. It's not true, but I'm OK with hunters thinking it.

I also love all the different methods you guys come up with for everything harness oriented and as somebody on this site once wrote, it's a full time job trying to decipher what harness modifications work best. There are just so many and they're all tied to personal preference and therefore no single one is better than the others.

I'm married and the dad of 5 so I'm used to confrontations and I also used to go on a couple other sites regularly and I swear there's big fat guys sitting in soiled clothes in front of computers all day that have never hunted a day in their lives, that argue everything.

Here's hoping you all have a great 2018 and my Michigan State Spartans won last night so I'm good. Likely not a lot of hunters on this site from Washington as they don't have whitetails ( I think they don't anyways), they have blacktails so I shouldn't get any grief.
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I don't think Myles hunts much anymore but he is reasonably active on social media. Mainly traditional archery bowhunting content. Fitting as the hunting industry has been derailed for quite some time.

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Unfortunately there is so much bad information out there like their bucks routinely use the same beds day after day.
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I think a lot of this comes from the ground Dan has been most successful hunting... marshes. I think when marshes are the only unpressured bedding options, and those marshes only provide X number of beds, it lends itself to bucks bedding much more routinely. Many of those beds are spots of dry ground not much bigger than the buck itself. If there’s not much dry ground, they will bed on the only dry ground there is.

I agree with your assessment on the northeast Texas area, they bed in areas around here, not in specific beds. It took me 2.5 years of scouting hard to realize it didn’t work Dan’s way in our woods.

That being said, if I ever have access to steeper terrain or marshes, I will give his methods a try. I’m not going down the carbon route mostly because of cost. But, a lot of our hunting down here is in 85°+ weather. I don’t think carbon will ever be able to counteract me sweating completely through every stitch of the clothing I’m wearing. Because of that, I kind of blend Dan’s, John’s, yours, and my own styles of hunting together into something I feel confident in.

I was really disappointed in how the discussion went on the scent lock VS playing the wind debate went over on the beast. It seemed like most guys just completely discounted John’s EXTREMELY effective scouting and setup strategies because they didn’t agree with a SINGLE tactic he uses. Reminded me too much of our current political scene.


More to the topic of the thread though.... these mods look deadly. Your Kestrel is basically a super sit drag.


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I am a john and dan fan
I think both of them are great guys which i have talked directly to both of them via email and phone calls. The tactics are pretty similar but scent control is opposite but its lessons learned from both guys on how wind is used
Dan is a huge bed tactic and it works. I know dan hunts public land that is heavily pressured
I know john does too
I have both all of both guys videos and books. They are all good
I really dont think any one is better than the other so lets not get into bashing the hunting beast site ive been a member for about 4 months and everyone has been helpful informative and great to me. Just like you guys have been here
Thnks


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Robert loper said:
I am a john and dan fan
I think both of them are great guys which i have talked directly to both of them via email and phone calls. The tactics are pretty similar but scent control is opposite but its lessons learned from both guys on how wind is used
Dan is a huge bed tactic and it works. I know dan hunts public land that is heavily pressured
I know john does too
I have both all of both guys videos and books. They are all good
I really dont think any one is better than the other so lets not get into bashing the hunting beast site ive been a member for about 4 months and everyone has been helpful informative and great to me. Just like you guys have been here
Thnks


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POST OF THE DAY!!!!
 
Dewey said:
I really respect Myles Keller and met him once. Great guy and truly the most humble guy I ever met.

I feel very bad having to pass this on. Hate to see him go down like this.

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news...-5-year-old-30-day-sentence-article-1.3474465


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Well if thats true i just lost all the respect i had for myles keller drinking and driving has no excuse. He must have had issues to deal with and just always drank them away its a shame a young life was taken because of a man who probably needed help was too worried about himself or his image to get help with his addiction or depression. I gaurantee he will get help now.


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I gave up the scent control stuff. It took the fun out of it. All I worried about was scent. Day & night. I always played the wind anyway. Point is, I see no difference in the deer I kill & see. I hunt high pressured lands in NY CT. Mike
 
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