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Turkey...

How many acres is the property? Last year was my first year turkey hunting and I learned pretty quick that you can cover 50 acres (property I have access to) pretty quick and if no birds are around you are out of luck. So this year doing mostly state land. I want to be able to roam and go after birds without worrying about them heading to private.

also, for locating birds, did you put them to bed the day before? Our season in NY just opened and after 7pm the birds starting gobbling like crazy on the roost. Helps you know where to set up in the morning. They'll shock gobble to almost anything - naturally to crows, geese, owls, coyote howls, even gun shots in the distance (happened the other day for me)
This is interesting to me. I live in the south and can count on one hand how many times I have heard a turkey gobble on the roost in the evening. I can't tell you how many evenings I have spent trying to locate roosted birds. I wonder if it is different based on geographics or is it something else? They gobble like crazy most mornings but never in the evenings. I know, generally, where they roost and can find them on the roost in the mornings based on past experiences but not from evening locating. I could just be doing it wrong. What do you use most of the time to get them to shock gobble?
 
I think part of my problem is possibly not having a whole lot of Tom's on the property I'm hunting. The other part is definitely my inexperience. The most frustrating part I would have to say is not being able to locate a single bird before a hunt. People make it look so easy on hunting shows, it's really not, at least it wasn't for me.

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I've been hunting them hard for 3 years now. Finally had success last year and again this. Made a LOT of mistakes but learned a lot too.

From what i've read bird behavior varies from state to state and even from county to county in a state. What i've observed in Michigan is that our spring turkey season the early season is the best to hunt toms and the birds are generally more active and vocal. The late season gets much more difficult as the birds become less active, less vocal, and stop responding to tactics like decoys and calling. Basically you you have to ambush them - either off the roost or pattern their movement.

Mornings are best for vocal and strutting activity. Get within a few hundred yards of a roost and you should be able to get them gobbling back and even heading in your direction after flydown.

But the key is to sneak in and be setup at least 1/2 hour before legal sunrise. Actually you should want it dark and possibly even needing a headlamp. I have heard them gobble off the roost many mornings, but if you get there even 10 minutes too late they might have already flown down and be working their way to fields/strut zones and it gets much harder to make it to your setup without getting busted. Or almost as bad they see you walking in from the roost and fly down and go a different direction.

I have roosted birds in the evening but generally the birds are very quiet or even silent just before they fly up. I cannot remember ever hearing them gobble on the roost in the evening. I have heard them gobbling while out feeding or in the afternoon but not after fly up. They have different roosting trees and also roost on different properties, so i generally don't try to catch them right off the roost after they fly down, but they almost always strut and feed in the same locations.

In regards to shock gobbling that tactic has never worked for me here in Michigan. I have tried crow, owl, and coyote calls and nothing has ever elicited a shock gobble. Ironically I have gotten them to shock gobble from a loud whistle. I have walked into a woodlot after dark after watching birds fly up and owl called and... nothing. But, there brains are small... who knows.

Hunting single birds is tough. I like to target groups of birds. I have had 3 years to pattern them on a particular piece of property and know pretty much exactly where they are coming and going, but the same is true on other properties i've turkey hunted. Sometimes it's better to pattern the hens knowing the toms will be following.

Just like deer hunting don't be afraid to throw an observation sit at the birds to pattern them better.

Birds in GROUPS like trails - two tracks, walking trails, logging roads... I always seem them moving in groups on trials. Single birds a little more random as they move through the woods.

Don't be afraid to try different decoy setups. Early season a jake with a hen can usually pull an aggressive Tom to your setup. Late season you have to get creative and try different deke setups. If a Tom is with his Harem a deke setup is likely to not get his attention unless he's feeling particularly dominant. If it's a lone tom or group of toms any deke setup might work, but again as the season goes on decoys become less effective. I have actually had better luck calling from thicker stuff in late season and drawing them into woodlots from fields to investigate.

If you are calling using standard calls ie: yelps, clucks I have had good luck pulling hens using kee kees and kee kee runs. Also purrs on a mouth call work very, very well to put birds at ease.

Anyway i'm sure theres more but my brain is turkey fried right now...
 
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This is interesting to me. I live in the south and can count on one hand how many times I have heard a turkey gobble on the roost in the evening. I can't tell you how many evenings I have spent trying to locate roosted birds. I wonder if it is different based on geographics or is it something else? They gobble like crazy most mornings but never in the evenings. I know, generally, where they roost and can find them on the roost in the mornings based on past experiences but not from evening locating. I could just be doing it wrong. What do you use most of the time to get them to shock gobble?

Yeah I totally forgot that turkeys vary region to region. Up here in NY, they hammer on the roost. At least in my experience. I don't even have to use a call they will shock gobble to owls, crows etc in the early morning and late evening. Like I was saying, the other evening I was roosting and somebody was target shooting a ways away and every time he shot they would all sound off. Then the following morning, before they flew down, they would all sound off whenever a crow would caw and when geese flew over. I am still new (last season was my first and only have harvested 1 jake) so I shouldn't be giving advice anyway haha
 
This is interesting to me. I live in the south and can count on one hand how many times I have heard a turkey gobble on the roost in the evening. I can't tell you how many evenings I have spent trying to locate roosted birds. I wonder if it is different based on geographics or is it something else? They gobble like crazy most mornings but never in the evenings. I know, generally, where they roost and can find them on the roost in the mornings based on past experiences but not from evening locating. I could just be doing it wrong. What do you use most of the time to get them to shock gobble?
I'm in NJ. I've got them to gobble at night but not a ton. IMO turkeys are very finicky and they do whatever they want, when they want to. Some days or nights the birds will gobble like crazy, other days they just won't make a peep.
 
I carry more locator calls than anything. I can blow six different calls and only get a shock gobble on the last one.

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How many acres is the property? Last year was my first year turkey hunting and I learned pretty quick that you can cover 50 acres (property I have access to) pretty quick and if no birds are around you are out of luck. So this year doing mostly state land. I want to be able to roam and go after birds without worrying about them heading to private.

also, for locating birds, did you put them to bed the day before? Our season in NY just opened and after 7pm the birds starting gobbling like crazy on the roost. Helps you know where to set up in the morning. They'll shock gobble to almost anything - naturally to crows, geese, owls, coyote howls, even gun shots in the distance (happened the other day for me)
I spent multiple evening trying to find Birds that were going to roost with no luck. I never got a bird to shock gobble not even once. And the one gobbler that I heard I tried to locate with an owl call and a coyote call the night before and that morning Within a hundred or so yards of him and he never would shock gobble. I know there Birds on the property because I've seen them and I see their tracks all the time I find turkey feathers in different locations. I don't know if they tend to move to other locations or what happened but it seem like they had lockjaw. I'm a novice caller at best so that definitely didn't help me at all. I'm sure it would be helpful if I had anybody that was more experienced at this and I to follow around the woods to learn from but alas I'm out there by myself trying to figure it out by myself. I don't mind doing things this way but it definitely makes it harder because I think it makes you second-guess yourself probably more than you should.

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The property is located close to a busy highway directly across the street from my house. I wonder if the noise from the highway makes them less likely to shock gobble since they're used to being around a lot of noise anyway. Has anybody found this to be true hunting around highways or areas where there's more noise?

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I just want to say congratulations to all you guys who got birds!! I have been hunting hear in CT since the 25th and are season is only a month long. So far its been tough i had two coming in and got hung up at about 70yards. Are weather in a week has literally gone from downpours to 90 degree days. The birds have turned off completely. Some would say that there are no birds around but its not the case as this area i have seen 70 plus birds throughout the last year and a half. They are truly a challenge, it’s amazing that they are so smart but dumb at the same time. Its still early in the season but shoot with these temps im definitely just gonna prefer fishing lol!!
 
Man I messed up BAD this morning on the same bird I missed Tuesday morning. I gave him yesterday to cool off and listened for him to roost at dark last night. He was right back to his normal roost tree last night so I had high hopes for this morning! I got up the ridge an hour before light and he sounded off to my owl hoot exactly where I planned. I put the ninja sneak to work and got within 61 yards of him on the limb (rangefinder in my pack after the earlier miss :D). He was FIRED up, double and triple gobbling and it was still dark out. It was just light enough to see the woods in front of me and he pitched off the limb and landed 30 yards from me and went into strut! he had some trees to clear for a shot so I waited. Then the worst thing happened....he went to my right and I needed to swing my gun over my camera on the tripod to get a clear shot. As he went behind a tree I made my move only to have my sling catch the camera and knock it over! The bird kicked it into high gear and I took two running shots at him inside 30 yards and missed him clean both times! I'm convinced this spawn of Satan....or I mean turkey is the luckiest thing alive! I've been on this bird three days in a row and he gobbles like a fool on the roost. If he does it again I will be convinced they are the dumbest critter on planet earth :D
 
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The joys of filming hunts...


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#truth lol. Never even thought about that strap as I lifted the gun over the cam. Apparently a camera falling over with a THUD isn’t the best way to call in a gobbler


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The joys of filming hunts...


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Oh yes, the joys.....never missed a turkey due to filming but filming my deer hunts has saved more deer than all of PETA's efforts combined. Here is an idea. If the humane society and peta want to save wildlife they should politic to change the hunting laws so that every hunter has to get his kill on film for it to be legal. The population would explode.
 
I’ve been on birds but it just hasn’t worked out.

Had 2 toms with hens in a field on private that I hoped would come my way onto public with enough cover that I could get in front of them so I just watched for 3 hours without calling and they worked off into private pines close to the border. Got ahead of them and called but nothing. Maybe I should have called earlier.

Got another bird fired up on a ridge on private that was heading my way to the ridge I was on. He got into the valley gobbling and yelping. Another 50 yds I would have had a change but a group of deer got down wind of me and busted out up the ridge taking the Tom with them.

Fired up a couple hens on the opposite side of some real thick brush. Figured they wouldn’t investigate my mocking calls through that mess so I circled and crept through the ticket. No toms to be seen. Got within 30 yds of a young hen and her mother though.

Went to a private piece where I had success last year. Located a small group of birds across a field and a fence row on bordering private. Got one to gobble but they didn’t want to play.

Went out with my dad to hunt/roost some bird in the location of my stalk/miss stalk/miss debacle. Heard a loud yelp as we snuck to the hilltop to overlook the area. The yelp ended up being a hunter set up right under the roost tree. We watched 2 groups of turkeys slip away. Two jakes and a hen and one Tom and a hen. If he would have kept the calling low-key they would have been in his lap. That ended that hunt.

Had 2 toms fired up across a field on private that were hung up. Got out the fan and put on a show for them and they continued to gobble and began to work our way. A coyote bolted out of the woods and chased them off.

Took a brake from hunting and gained permission on two farms. Drove around the border of one 283 acre farm and saw 2 toms heading into roost. Returned the next evening and they were in the field. Had to park a good distance away to avoid being detected and stay away from the lane that intersects the road where I saw them cross the night before. By the time we got to there location they were gone. Jumped a deer that headed that way so I don’t know it they got spooked or were working away to begin with. We moved back to the location the birds were the night before hoping they would appear again. 9 deer came out with a coyote chasing. Closing came so we headed out. A bird flew up 25 yds from us as we packed up. By then it was dark. I’m thinking either the activity of the deer a yote held up the bird or it came out farther down by my truck and got nervous, or both. It was just strange it was still on the ground that late.

Tag soup for both Dad and I on our first weeks. My second tag started yesterday with two days of rain but have high hopes for nocking one down this weekend. Going to hit up the newly acquired properties and some larger pieces of public. Looks like clear sunny skies ahead after a string of overcast days. Should get the activity going again.










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My sons first kill! Stud of a tom. Couldn’t be more proud!
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Congratulations! That will be a morning neither of you will ever forget. I still remember my first bird that my dad set me up on and called in for me. He has since passed away and that is one of my favorite memories with him. I would bet your boy is hooked now.
 
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