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When ordering a new product and receiving that as a defective product should you be liable for shipping and/restocking fees?


I have received several defective products either cosmetically and/or functionally and had to eat shipping costs. I think this is a BS policy and is a failure of said companies QC and they should be eating shipping costs. Am I wrong?

I have had to eat shipping costs from Tethrd, Trophyline and Out On A Limb for defective products. OOAL had me eat shipping in both directions! Horrible customer service IMO.
 
When ordering a new product and receiving that as a defective product should you be liable for shipping and/restocking fees?


I have received several defective products either cosmetically and/or functionally and had to eat shipping costs. I think this is a BS policy and is a failure of said companies QC and they should be eating shipping costs. Am I wrong?

I have had to eat shipping costs from Tethrd, Trophyline and Out On A Limb for defective products. OOAL had me eat shipping in both directions! Horrible customer service IMO.
I have to agree regarding manufactures picking up shipping on defective products. Stuff is always going to happen. If we get notified of a defective product, we send a shipping label. I think that is the case for most of the small vendors. For us (small manufacturers), there is a lot of pride in our products and unhappy people can close the doors.

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The few times I've had issues with new products I've been emailed a return shipping label. It seems wrong to make a customer pay for a company's mistake.

From the company's perspective, I can see where forcing the customer to pay shipping would cut down on B.S. complaints/returns; my guess is some companies see too many of those.
 
When ordering a new product and receiving that as a defective product should you be liable for shipping and/restocking fees?

I have received several defective products either cosmetically and/or functionally and had to eat shipping costs. I think this is a BS policy and is a failure of said companies QC and they should be eating shipping costs. Am I wrong?

I have had to eat shipping costs from Tethrd, Trophyline and Out On A Limb for defective products. OOAL had me eat shipping in both directions! Horrible customer service IMO.

I thought about this a bit since your post last night.

Maybe it depends.

Lets say I receive a product with a mfg defect. I contact the company and they are willing to process an exchange with no additional shipping cost to me.

That's perfect.

But if I just want to return the product, not exchange.

That's probably on me, as I'm unwilling to give it another go after 1 hiccup.

But in your case, you wanted a return because you had a specific mfg expectation from, it seems, past purchases that wasn't being met by a new product line.

Trickier.

I see your side. And if that's indeed the course of events, I'd pay for the return if I was the company, were the complaint made in a reasonable timeframe.

But I see the company's side too, were it to say we never set that expectation in our product literature.
 
I can't understand both sides of it. I don't mind paying it (1 way) assuming the company actually listens to my concerns & handles the incident in a genuine manner.

Now that said, having to pay both ways (really 3 ways), is bull in and of itself, but add that to a company who continues to put out said defected product, and I'll not do business with them again.

I guess it boils down to whether or not the company acts like they give a rip, or not.

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If it’s a return and there is not a true warranty issue, then I think the customer should cover cost of return (I don’t charge a restocking fee) but if it’s an actual warranted defect then I send a return shipping label and provide the option of refund, replacement/repair and then I cover the return shipping price as well. If it’s my companies fault, then it’s my financial obligation to bear those costs. If someone just doesn’t like it because it didn’t work for them, they can cover shipping and after inspection, I’ll do the reimbursement. To this point, we’ve sold thousands of products and I’ve only had 2 returns. 1 was my newish seamstress went a little high on the bottom where the saddle webbing and the cordura body meet, so like 2 or 3 stitches broke when the customer sat in it. He reached out, we provided a return label, it came back we inspected it, found the issue and got it shipped back to him. The other was one of the gear straps I was selling. We used a rivet and a paracord connection point, the rivet pulled out of the strap. The guy bought two, rather than wait to see if the other was fine, I had him send them both back and reinforced the webbing with a larger rivet and a hard webbing backing. Of course I covered costs of shipping to and from. Hawk didn’t offer me the same courtesy when their stand offs bent on the helium stick. And I bought some 1/4” dyneema rope from US rope and recovery out of Pennsylvania. I bought a couple thousand feet (10 spools worth) paid 6k plus $240 shipping). It took him 3 months to make my rope, then when he sent it, it was way bigger than 1/4 amsteel (closer to 3/8”) and was super loose weave. Needless to say it didn’t work and truthfully I wouldn’t have trusted it to meet the breaking strength either. He charged me return shipping AND a 20% restocking fee. Basically I gave away $2000 when it was all said and done. Dan-O saved the day for me by getting me a spool of amsteel to hold us over and I swore I’d never do to my customers, what US ropes did to me.
 
When ordering a new product and receiving that as a defective product should you be liable for shipping and/restocking fees?


I have received several defective products either cosmetically and/or functionally and had to eat shipping costs. I think this is a BS policy and is a failure of said companies QC and they should be eating shipping costs. Am I wrong?

I have had to eat shipping costs from Tethrd, Trophyline and Out On A Limb for defective products. OOAL had me eat shipping in both directions! Horrible customer service IMO.
Tethrd is a company thats pretty new that is known to use customers as testers and is why i refuse to buy anything from them ever. I swear People buy their things just to say i have tehrd lol.
that company just does not add up to me seeing some of the things they get away with and do.
the out on a limb i bought a camera arm about 4 years ago and it was not a good experience so i have not dealt with them for quite some time.
trophyline i bought several things from over the last few years. Mainly accessories for my setup.
my kneepads i love from them and they are or seem to be very affordable.
Its a shame companies have wet a trend of getting products out as quickly as they can before having real quality isdues looked at but, i guess thats ok for some but, is not acceptable to me.
just got to do some research on a company before you purchase. Read reviews, reach out to people and ask known customers about their experiences.
 
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@always89y and @Fl Canopy Stalker, @DanO you guys are why I’d rather support your products than any of these glitzy big name co’s. I think some of these places get so big the people working are there for a check and that’s it. Owner/operators who are passionate about their products, and care is who we should all support. I agree with @Camelcluch, warranty/defects should completely be on the company, unless the company can tell it was a modification or something beyond pure product failure or defect. Someone that just doesn’t like something after they get it but it’s functional and does what it says it’s supposed to do…. eat it man!!
 
Tethrd is known for us to use customers as testers and is why i refuse to buy anything from them ever.
that company just does not add up to me seeing some of the things they get away with and do.
the out on a limb i bought a camera arm about 4 years ago and it was not a good experience so i have not dealt with them for quite some time.
trophyline i bought several things from over the last few years. Mainly accessories for my setup.
my kneepads i love from them and they are or seem to be very affordable.
Its a shame companies have wet a trend of getting products out as quickly as they can before having real quality isdues looked at but, i guess thats ok for some but, is not acceptable to me.
just got to do some research on a company before you purchase. Read reviews, reach out to people and ask known customers about their experiences.
What was wrong with the camera arm?
 
Rolling with woodsdog2 on this. I try to steer clear of the "BIG" companys, especially if I read negative reviews about them. If its a defective product thats on the company that produced it & they shoulp pay IMO.

Now on the other hand, if its a product you bought and you've never even looked at one in person, read or watched reviews on & said "heck I'll just give it a try and see what happens" , then I think its on the consumer when they aren't happy with the product.

As much as Id like to stick it to Amazon/ebay, for past issues, you cant blame them if its a product issue.
I say do diligent research before you buy to save yourself a headache.
 
Well…looking back. I think Tethrd changed their policy. Because when I sent my gen2 sticks back I was refunded for shipping. Good on them.

Trophyline sends a prepaid shipping label but does not refund for the shipping you paid for on defective products.

OOAL I had one of the first big Bob platforms. It was very shoddy workmanship. Bad looking welds and overall very poor craftsmanship. First time putting it on the tree I cammed it over and it ovalized the mounting holes for the top. Obviously untested… I didn’t even weight the damn thing and it was ruined. He insisted I let them fix it. I did not want an attempted fix on this thing. It was pos. He made me pay shipping back. Only refunded me for the cost of the product and I had to eat the original shipping to me. I wasn’t happy and likely won’t own another product from them. After than he started putting an insert in the end where the platform mounts to avoid this problem. So… I was the Guinea pig. Guarantee that Bob was never climbed with before sales opened up.
 
Actual material product defects, yes, should be covered. A nick or scratch, minor and purely cosmetic, that's on you. Clothes that don't fit, same.

My wife orders stuff on the regular just to try it on and sends a lot of it back. One of those deals I've learned not to say anything but it ticks me off a bit. All I see as a beancounter is all the cost that is then passed along to those of us that only buy what we need and do our diligence to make sure we size it right. There are no free lunches, but some folks have no problem passing the cost of their lunch down the line.
 
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Actual material product defects, yes, should be covered. A nick or scratch, minor and purely cosmetic, that's on you. Clothes that don't fit, same.
I dont think it would be unreasonable for the direct to consumer clothing folks to at a minimum split the cost of return shipping for a size replacement. Kinda difficult for the consumer to always get that right when you cant try it on first.
 
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