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bowhuntr09 said:
I don’t see the benefit to removing that pocket unless I’m planning to leave the main pack at the base of the tree. Otherwise I just have two things to deal with in the tree instead of one.
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This is how I would do it also. I’ve been running a chest rig myself for the last three seasons and this pouch would hold the same items for me allowing me to ditch the chest rig and use this pocket to hold my items plus be my gear hanger. One strap. One pocket. Pack stays at base of tree.
 
skyjacker said:
You might be thinking of Wild Line Ropes ... https://www.wildlineropes.com/product-page/featherlite-combo

I have the both the tether and linesman. Really compact and lightweight. The hitch works really well and doesn't require a tender.
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Those do look nice! I could have sworn he said tx5. Maybe I’ll reach out and see if I can get a response. Those do looks sweet because I could probably fit both in one small pouch in my saddle. Thanks!
 
Bowtie747 said:
Those do look nice! I could have sworn he said tx5. Maybe I’ll reach out and see if I can get a response. Those do looks sweet because I could probably fit both in one small pouch in my saddle. Thanks!
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I bought the linesman's and love it. Hardly know it's in my pouch. I'm hunting off of my repel rope this season so didn't get the tether.
 
I tried the wild line lineman rope. Prepped a. Few trees and did some test climbs over the last couple months. It does not break loose and tend very easily for me. Yeah I can get it to work but it was a Pain! If I climbed straighter trees and wasn't adjusting as much maybe it would be worth it but I'm not a fan.
 
Zero One Actual said:
If that outter pocket is removable and can be run around the tree, which he states in a video,
, then I would want to find a bow hanger and hooks that fit on that strap like the Genesis 3D hooks and bow hanger. That way you can unzip that pocket, run it around the tree at whatever level you prefer, and you can hang your bow and whatever else from it and have that pouch to access whatever at the same time. I want to see some photos of it with sticks stowed vertically. The website only shows horizontal storage which doesn’t work for everyone due to stick variations.
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So it's got one aluminum stay down the center without a frame sheet? Kinda weird.
 
Plebe said:
So it's got one aluminum stay down the center without a frame sheet? Kinda weird.
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I saw that also and thought the same thing. I ordered one today, Sat the 26th of August, and will give feedback as soon as I get it. I will run it with and without the alooomineeeum (British) stay and see if there is a difference. I also want to see how big of a tree that removable pouch will fit around and what width the strap for it is. I want to attach a bow holder and hook to the strap and see how that works. I am hoping the pack works well, but we are all awake how many pages the backpack thread is. As well as the classifieds.
 
Arrowsquirrel said:
I tried the wild line lineman rope. Prepped a. Few trees and did some test climbs over the last couple months. It does not break loose and tend very easily for me. Yeah I can get it to work but it was a Pain! If I climbed straighter trees and wasn't adjusting as much maybe it would be worth it but I'm not a fan.
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Dang. I put my feet against the tree and pulled it as tight as I could and it tended with just my thumb and index finger. Maybe, double check that the hitch is tied correctly ... idk

 
Yeah it's tied correctly. Maybe I should correct my statement. It didn't break loose soo hard but just hard enough to be a pain. The real annoying part to me was taking up slack after it had been loaded. I'm used to a mechanical device so I'm used to a quick easy pull to take up slack. This was especially annoying when readjusting from a leaned back position. You can't just lean forward as you pull in slack. You have to keep quite a bit of tension on the rope from your other lineman loop with friction all the way around the tree as you lean forward. Then you are pulling with force on your tending hand to get the knot to break loose. Way too much hassle in my opinion.

My issue is really the a mechanical vs rope only compliant. If I was using a normal rope prussic with tender I would have much the same complaint.

But it is marketed and bragged up as a metal free replacement that works just as well. It does not.
 
Arrowsquirrel said:
Yeah it's tied correctly. Maybe I should correct my statement. It didn't break loose soo hard but just hard enough to be a pain. The real annoying part to me was taking up slack after it had been loaded. I'm used to a mechanical device so I'm used to a quick easy pull to take up slack. This was especially annoying when readjusting from a leaned back position. You can't just lean forward as you pull in slack. You have to keep quite a bit of tension on the rope from your other lineman loop with friction all the way around the tree as you lean forward. Then you are pulling with force on your tending hand to get the knot to break loose. Way too much hassle in my opinion.

My issue is really the a mechanical vs rope only compliant. If I was using a normal rope prussic with tender I would have much the same complaint.

But it is marketed and bragged up as a metal free replacement that works just as well. It does not.
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Bought a couple of ropeman ones a few years ago and they have worked perfectly for me. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
 
Arrowsquirrel said:
But it is marketed and bragged up as a metal free replacement that works just as well. It does not.
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A rope hitch will never be a smooth as a mechanical rope clamp. It just can't. The marketing pitch is simple ...

Hitch Pros
Stronger
Cheaper
No moving parts
Lighter weight
Works on all diameter ropes

Hitch Cons
Not as smooth as a mechanical rope clamp

I don't see it as a replacement for mechanical rope clamps. They work great. I'm a fan of the CT RollNLock. It's rated for 8mm ropes.

The Ropeman is rated for ropes 10mm to 13mm. A lot of folks are using them out of spec, which is fine until it's not.
 
Zero One Actual said:
This is how I would do it also. I’ve been running a chest rig myself for the last three seasons and this pouch would hold the same items for me allowing me to ditch the chest rig and use this pocket to hold my items plus be my gear hanger. One strap. One pocket. Pack stays at base of tree.
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That gave me a thought. Could tjus detachable pocket serve as a chest rig? Some of the tactical set use "modular subloads" which seems like a synonym for interchangeable chest rigs. One for still hunting, one for sitting in a saddle, maybe another for tracking and butchering.

Probably impractical but it's late and my brain is sleepy.
 
skyjacker said:
A rope hitch will never be a smooth as a mechanical rope clamp. It just can't. The marketing pitch is simple ...

Hitch Pros
Stronger
Cheaper
No moving parts
Lighter weight
Works on all diameter ropes

Hitch Cons
Not as smooth as a mechanical rope clamp

I don't see it as a replacement for mechanical rope clamps. They work great. I'm a fan of the CT RollNLock. It's rated for 8mm ropes.

The Ropeman is rated for ropes 10mm to 13mm. A lot of folks are using them out of spec, which is fine until it's not.
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Well I agree with what you are saying. I guess I watched a couple videos that acted like it worked just as well and kinda forgot how friction hitches actually annoy me.

On the note of safety. I don't think using a ropeman out of spec is any different than using the tiny wildline rope. Neither should be done but both are being sold and used.
 
Iron_llama said:
That gave me a thought. Could tjus detachable pocket serve as a chest rig? Some of the tactical set use "modular subloads" which seems like a synonym for interchangeable chest rigs. One for still hunting, one for sitting in a saddle, maybe another for tracking and butchering.

Probably impractical but it's late and my brain is sleepy.
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Seems like it would work great!
 
Iron_llama said:
That gave me a thought. Could tjus detachable pocket serve as a chest rig? Some of the tactical set use "modular subloads" which seems like a synonym for interchangeable chest rigs. One for still hunting, one for sitting in a saddle, maybe another for tracking and butchering.

Probably impractical but it's late and my brain is sleepy.
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I will check it out and see what buckle size it is using on the strap. If compatible, I will try to run it as a chest rig with another companies yoke strap or harness.

I also will see what bow hanger fits on the strap as well as some hooks to use as a gear hanger on the tree. I’m really hoping this works.
 
Horn said:
I plan on taking 2 gear hangers this year anyway. Sometimes it seemed like it would be so much better to put my pack or whatever on a different tree or height on the tree. If the little pack had essentials and the bigger pack had layers or possible it might be nice to separate them.
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I bought the Genesis 3D Pack Elevator to lower the pack on the tree vs my gear strap. Lighter than carrying a whole second gear hanger, and could easily be DIY’ed.
 
TheBlindCat said:
I bought the Genesis 3D Pack Elevator to lower the pack on the tree vs my gear strap. Lighter than carrying a whole second gear hanger, and could easily be DIY’ed.
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I picked one of those up too, haven't tried it yet though
 
Arrowsquirrel said:
On the note of safety. I don't think using a ropeman out of spec is any different than using the tiny wildline rope. Neither should be done but both are being sold and used.
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The tiny Wild Line rope is not out of spec. It's plenty strong to be used as a linesman rope (not a tether).

MBS of Back Up Line 12kn or 2,800 pounds.
MBS of 1/8 Technora 13kn or 2,900 pounds

The safety issue of a Ropeman is not because the Ropeman itself isn't strong enough to be used as a rope clamp. It's the fact that people use it on ropes that it's not certified for and then you have the issue of it failing at like 4 to 6 KN on a dynamic fall (see this thread https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/ropeman-1-failure.15225). It also requires specific carabiners to be maximum effective.

Friction hitches can slip (which is why your tether and linesman rope should have stopper knots on the tag end) but they won't necessarily de-sheath or cut a rope like a rope clamp.
 
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