At 60 the timber sharks hit about 1 1/2" higher, I'm assuming that's because of the weight difference, but out to 40 yards which is farthest I'll shoot at a deer they hit the same POI.Same point of impact?
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At 60 the timber sharks hit about 1 1/2" higher, I'm assuming that's because of the weight difference, but out to 40 yards which is farthest I'll shoot at a deer they hit the same POI.Same point of impact?
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Overkill Samurai 125gr for me.
Used them last year and was impressed with every aspect, from ease of sharpening to blade durability through bone. Put the same head through two deer and can still shave with it. Got to be the best bang for the $$$ for a single bevel broadhead.
Once you go to a durable fixed blade COC that your can readily sharpen you won't go back. I've always like three blade broadheads I went to the VPA 150's last year, learned how to sharpen them on a flat file and diamond flat stock with different thicknesses and put the same arrow through deer you just clean, re-sharpen and I always coat mine with a thin film of mineral oil (odorless and bought cheap at your local drug store) and it is good to go again to use on another animal. Besides the most important factor of maximum penetration on game for that "Plan B" arrow situation the RF talks about, the less talked about factor with going to a durable COC on a heavier arrow build is that you can keep reusing many if not most of these heads over and over and over again. With mechanicals you're chuckin' most of them after you put them into a game animal in my experience. Yes your initial investment is more with a quality, durable well built COC fixed broadhead but you can reuse these heads for the most part many many times more than mechs IMHO.hows the blood trail and be honest. I’ve never once gotten a good blood trail from fixed blades and I’ve never once seen an expandable fail to provide a fantastic blood trail. And they die within eyesight to boot.
I want to shoot fixed blade. I believe they are better if I hit shoulder and they will never fail to open like an expandable, but I just can’t bring myself to move away from mechanical when the blood trails are insane compared to fixed.
so how was it? Help me make the switch. Murder scene blood trails or shty blood trails like most honest people say when they answer this question lol. Even ranch fairy says the blood trails are not as good.
I've only killed 2 deer so I'm not that knowledgeable but I can give u my experiences with fixed blade. 1 single bevel moderate weight and 1 double bevel heavy weight. The single bevel the deer was broadside when I shot but was in the process of turning away from me and almost totally facing away from me when the arrow arrived. I see the arrow enter and then pop out onto the ground and the deer runs 10yds and falls over with blood spraying up onto the tree leafs. Plan b arrow did it's job and full pass thru down the length of the whole deer (small doe) and cut all the main cables in the neck so it was like the movies with high velocity blood sprayhows the blood trail and be honest. I’ve never once gotten a good blood trail from fixed blades and I’ve never once seen an expandable fail to provide a fantastic blood trail. And they die within eyesight to boot.
I want to shoot fixed blade. I believe they are better if I hit shoulder and they will never fail to open like an expandable, but I just can’t bring myself to move away from mechanical when the blood trails are insane compared to fixed.
so how was it? Help me make the switch. Murder scene blood trails or shty blood trails like most honest people say when they answer this question lol. Even ranch fairy says the blood trails are not as good.
hows the blood trail and be honest. I’ve never once gotten a good blood trail from fixed blades and I’ve never once seen an expandable fail to provide a fantastic blood trail. And they die within eyesight to boot.
I want to shoot fixed blade. I believe they are better if I hit shoulder and they will never fail to open like an expandable, but I just can’t bring myself to move away from mechanical when the blood trails are insane compared to fixed.
so how was it? Help me make the switch. Murder scene blood trails or shty blood trails like most honest people say when they answer this question lol. Even ranch fairy says the blood trails are not as good.
Once you go to a durable fixed blade COC that your can readily sharpen you won't go back. I've always like three blade broadheads I went to the VPA 150's last year, learned how to sharpen them on a flat file and diamond flat stock with different thicknesses and put the same arrow through deer you just clean, re-sharpen and I always coat mine with a thin film of mineral oil (odorless and bought cheap at your local drug store) and it is good to go again to use on another animal. Besides the most important factor of maximum penetration on game for that "Plan B" arrow situation the RF talks about, the less talked about factor with going to a durable COC on a heavier arrow build is that you can keep reusing many if not most of these heads over and over and over again. With mechanicals you're chuckin' most of them after you put them into a game animal in my experience. Yes your initial investment is more with a quality, durable well built COC fixed broadhead but you can reuse these heads for the most part many many times more than mechs IMHO.
Id give it a try. Started with mechs my first yr archery hunting about 7 yrs ago and switched to 3 blade fixed coc for a while. 2 yrs ago i went back to mechs and I switched back last year and im not interested in using mechs again. ive lost 3 deer with shoulder shots with mechs and blew through all the bones with my samurais last year on 4 out of 5 deer. one was a farther back double lung and she dropped not far anyway. Like others have said they just dont get that expandable "shock" and wont take off like a bat out a hell. Dont really know what happened n then boop theyre deadthat is super appealing, being able to reuse the head. I’m using the new rage no collars and now those are going $45 for a pack of TWO! Yowza. So the higher price of the food high FOC fixed blades will definitely be more affordable in The long run.
sounds like the blood trails are pretty good.
on the videos for the guys runnin them on YouTube the trails look lowzy. It’s such a hard decision for me. I’m torn
For what it's worth, I had a 150gr Magnus Stinger Killer Bee go straight through two deer standing broadside last year. That was a 607gr TAW arrow out of a 53lb bow.The only real reason I am trying to change is my wife hunts to and she only shoots 50lbs.we have lost some deer that I thought should have died due to not much penetration. I am trying to figure out her perfect setup.
Three years ago at 8 yards I shot a small eight pointer with my light arrow, 100 gr. three blade NAP spitfire mechanicals that I had been using since the early to mid 2000's. I shot my biggest ever buck this same bow, arrow and bh and that buck dressed 194. I shot him at 16 yards he went 35 but over a steep ravine and piled up. Ever since that buck I got cocky and the mechanicals were easy to tune so I stayed with them. On this buck three years ago, the blades deployed fine, the deer was recovered in 40 yards but what horrified me was the dismal penetration. Back in the day, before mechs I used aluminum 2213's, 2117's, and 2413's typically with muzzy 100 grain heads or something similar (NAP Thunderhead, Wasp, Savora Swept Wing) I always had either pass throughs or very decent penetration. Arrow flight was never as perfect as I thought it should be and once I started shooting mechanicals I was lazy, put 100 grain field points on and "never had problems." Nonetheless, this little 8 had just finished freshening a scrape and I could have spit on him. Upon release the arrow flew perfectly, the buck made a sound I never heard before when the arrow hit, like a person gasping when a kid is going to fall or something like that.... that arrow only penetrated like 10 inches was sticking out of its side and pulled out not even 10 yards from the hit sight. Like I said blood was good and I recovered that buck almost in his bed. But I just felt like, why wasn't I getting better penetration? The next year I went back to muzzy 100's and started using my old heavier aluminum arrows again. I shot a spiker at 25 yards and again this heavier arrow fully penetrated. I started hunting with my old aluminums and muzzy's again. So it was a natural progression when I started watching and seeing others like the RF and the THP folks and then doing some research for going trad and seeing that many trad bow hunters use heavy arrows and beefy COC heads because most of us can't draw and hold 55-75 recurves or longbows so they rely on heavier arrows and tough broadheads to do the "wet work."that is super appealing, being able to reuse the head. I’m using the new rage no collars and now those are going $45 for a pack of TWO! Yowza. So the higher price of the food high FOC fixed blades will definitely be more affordable in The long run.
sounds like the blood trails are pretty good.
on the videos for the guys runnin them on YouTube the trails look lowzy. It’s such a hard decision for me. I’m torn
I used to shoot 50lbs. its just not enough for an expandable to do what it needs to. Get her set up with a fixed blade 550 gr arrow n watch the magic happen. Your wife is a beast by the way! I wish mine could pull 40lbs so i could chuck the xbow.I ordered some 125 silver flames. Like I said I have tried numerous broadheads fixed and expandables and have always went back to expandables. I hope these change my mind. The only real reason I am trying to change is my wife hunts to and she only shoots 50lbs.we have lost some deer that I thought should have died due to not much penetration. I am trying to figure out her perfect setup.
Got a little hunter/huntress on the way. Cant wait to get em catchin deersShe is! She works out everyday. Both our families grew us up hunting. We have 2 kids now so I'll be setting them up before long to.