tailgunner
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Yeah ...somehow i forgot about your rappell rope again. Have to admit....compared to walking down hill its like a wheel chair.wheeeeeeh!!!!!..Love you dog.
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2tc vs one sticking
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I have never learned how to ride a bike actually! Still don't. We were poor and parent gave me the option of a bike or skateboard and I picked what was cool at that time. Was able to teach my son to ride his bike by winging it with positive motivation!
But I think some of you 2tc advocates are not accepting that to others, 1stick is just easier to do. Especially for those that are planning to not go too far up the tree. I'm planning to only go as high as 12-15 ft next season. I literally only have to move my stick once.
Who to say that 2TC is not a fad too? I mean people have been using the 1stick/2tc/sladder method for many years before saddle hunting.
Heck I think the WildEdge steps and aider system is pretty efficient too.
tailgunner
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Saddle hunting started with mobilization in mind and nothing is more compact than 2tc.its not populare and nobody who can do it will switch to sticks.all roads lead to 2tc.or back to stands
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I don't know about that, man. I'm planning on 2tc or die ( maybe both? Time will tell lol) but I'm not giving up my sticks either. They're definitely better on a wonky leaner
I respectfully disagree with the 2 points you made about mobilization and compactness. If the ultimate goal is mobilization, then we shouldn't be in the tree at all. Sit your butt on the ground and see where the hunts takes you. In regards to compactness, I think a bolts and drill kit is more packable and streamline.
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For me, I'm not a ROS guy, so I'm usually 1-sticking if I'm out covering ground doing a scout and hunt type hunt. The main reason is I hunt off the scout platform on the stick. Add a couple squirrel steps to get around the tree some, and I'm golden. Just less to set up. I'll already be standing on the stick at height, so why not climb with it.
I recently bought a Pursuit platform. I'm thinking about that paired with a couple squirrel steps and using 2TC will be a lightweight and compact mobile setup. So next year may be different. We'll see. Like many here, I like having like 5 options depending on where I'll be hunting or my mood really.
I recently bought a Pursuit platform. I'm thinking about that paired with a couple squirrel steps and using 2TC will be a lightweight and compact mobile setup. So next year may be different. We'll see. Like many here, I like having like 5 options depending on where I'll be hunting or my mood really.
CharlieTN
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Let’s be honest, one of the easiest methods to teach someone to climb a tree for mobile hunting is with sticks (no aiders). Not saying it’s the best by no means, just the easiest, it’s like climbing a ladder and familiar for most people. However if someone is used to climbing with sticks and aiders, then the transition to one-stick climbing is fairly straight forward. They’re already comfortable with the nuances and tricks of using aiders. They understand kick out and how to prevent it, a major concern for both one-stick and 2TC. I will say though, having been accustomed to 1-stick climbing I found the transition to 2TC to be pretty straight forward, and the actual climbing sequence to me is much more straight forward. It’s essentially 3 moves: 1. Stand up and hook off side leg, 2. move up main tether and sit. 3. Move up foot tether. Rinse and repeat.
I do like the fact that you essentially cannot introduce the extreme amount of slack that we see so many one-stick climbers introducing. If your tether is at your ankles and you fall, you’re in for a world of hurt and I have watched so many one-stick videos where they do just that. I also like the fact that if I do have a kick out or slip, there is no metal stick waiting directly in my line of fall. Does this mean I’m abandoning my one-stick, likely not but time will tell as I haven’t hunted a season yet with this system, simply gotten it dialed in and practiced some.
I do like the fact that you essentially cannot introduce the extreme amount of slack that we see so many one-stick climbers introducing. If your tether is at your ankles and you fall, you’re in for a world of hurt and I have watched so many one-stick videos where they do just that. I also like the fact that if I do have a kick out or slip, there is no metal stick waiting directly in my line of fall. Does this mean I’m abandoning my one-stick, likely not but time will tell as I haven’t hunted a season yet with this system, simply gotten it dialed in and practiced some.
tailgunner
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Wrong...With bolts you still need a tether and posibly a linemans.bolts and a drill cant be more compact and are not leagle evrrywhere..most people switched from treestands to saddles for mobility just to use the same climbing method and platform wich is a little stand defeating the purpose
.though oregon is full of trees finding a setup is actualy rare due to density of the forest making hunting from the ground a norm and tree hunting just an opertunity only thing that nobody wants to carry sticks for so only an ultra light compact system makes sence for .....being that it probably wont get used 80 percent of the time.i wear my setup elk hunting and need to go for miles and days without using it however there are some good wallows to wait over around lunch time when the rare opertunity presents its self that the heard is in the area and a bull might want a drink while his cows rest
.though oregon is full of trees finding a setup is actualy rare due to density of the forest making hunting from the ground a norm and tree hunting just an opertunity only thing that nobody wants to carry sticks for so only an ultra light compact system makes sence for .....being that it probably wont get used 80 percent of the time.i wear my setup elk hunting and need to go for miles and days without using it however there are some good wallows to wait over around lunch time when the rare opertunity presents its self that the heard is in the area and a bull might want a drink while his cows rest
I respectfully disagree with the 2 points you made about mobilization and compactness. If the ultimate goal is mobilization, then we shouldn't be in the tree at all. Sit your butt on the ground and see where the hunts takes you. In regards to compactness, I think a bolts and drill kit is more packable and streamline.
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CharlieTN
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That pursuit platform paired with some squirrel steps would be a great and lightweight system to use with the 2TC. I wish I could justify picking one up, but not right now. Maybe before season.
I get it and have a ROS and a couple slotted steps that I can put on my platform strap however I prefer the ultimate platform for longer sits. I do setup for the wind however the deer don't always get the memo. Shot a doe last December dead down wind on my weak side from my UP. She didn't know she was supposed to be leading the bucks down the main run wind up wind of me.
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The one huge drawback to bolts and a drill is legality. They are a great method if you hunt somewhere they are legal to use. They are best if you plan to hunt the spot multiple times. The first hunt with the actual drilling can be a bit of a chore depending on the tree. The second hunt where you just walk up, insert the bolts and up you go is great.I respectfully disagree with the 2 points you made about mobilization and compactness. If the ultimate goal is mobilization, then we shouldn't be in the tree at all. Sit your butt on the ground and see where the hunts takes you. In regards to compactness, I think a bolts and drill kit is more packable and streamline.
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Also, hunting off the ground is awesome. I did quite a bit of it out of a Packseat last season and once you figure the little nuances out, it is tough to go back to climbing. If I am going to climb, I prefer 2TC on public and bolts on private.
The bullman platform steps are what you want for that combo, they sit just about dead level with the pursuit platform when on the same strap
That depends on your 2tc. While you CAN 2tc with 1/8 Amsteel like some of the OGs, I would not suggest it. There is a balance between compact and comfort, you're right about the legality of bolts but if that was not an issue, then I still think a bolts and drill kit is more compact then a 2tc kit.
Yes some people switch to saddle because of mobility, but I see just as much people switching BACK to stand because they realizes that there is a trade off in regards to mobility and comfort. Hence hybrid system being the current 'fad'. Also why a few of the members in this forum only ground hunt now but stick around because this is a good community.
Like Buddha teaches, moderation in everything is the way to enlightenment. Sometimes the middle path works.
tailgunner
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Yes
tailgunner
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this sadfle ring of steps and 2 tethers are only 3.5 pounds all together lighter than most peoples boots.and wearing it like its not even there with an elastic wastbeltand.no metal exsept the covered carabiners.and it road everywhere on this elk hunt under a fanny pack without even noticing it was there wich is good cuz i didnt use it. 
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LAKY
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That's what you're doing when you're at the scenic overlook asking the tourist parked beside you to please take your picture with the lovely backdrop. When you're killing deer, you're sitting in a ladder stand, kicked back with a cold one. Or, you tell your sister to walk down the driveway to shoot that buck granny just saw laying in the yard by the fence.
tailgunner
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Shhhhhh!....thats not the point im trying to make....sheeesh...ha ha haahhh
tailgunner
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I got that buck off a pin together preset slippery stick in the yard...ha ha haahh...theres more than 2 ways to skin a deer..ha haah!...saddle hunter dot com is the best at this
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@tailgunner, if I hunted the terrain you do then I'd be all in on 2tc too.
Fact of the matter is that where I hunt the worst hills are a 300ft change in elevation and there's very few places you can't drive to within 3/4 of a mile from. Under those circumstances I can manage to carry my one stick.
Fact of the matter is that where I hunt the worst hills are a 300ft change in elevation and there's very few places you can't drive to within 3/4 of a mile from. Under those circumstances I can manage to carry my one stick.
I can srt, 2tc, and 1 stick with my system......each has a time and a place