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Amsteel Carabiner
- Thread starter LAKY
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Soft shackles?
Anybody familiar with them? I've been reading up on them a bit this weekend, since Missus Buster told me I couldn't go play. I'm wondering if they cinch secure enough to use in lieu of a traditional locking carabiner? Seems like an easy way to eliminate biner-clink. If you were willing to use...
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Yeah, saw that. These are made a little different. Same concept, just a couple differences.
I like the button on that one. That could be good to incorporate into this fast shackle method with the pull tail and static loop.
Neat, but that doesn’t comfort me like a carabiner. 
I’ve done this one before. I used an 1/8” amsteel blue one to hook a chain to the bucket on my brothers new tractor to pull a stump out with. Worked good enough to lift back end of tractor off the ground. I use one of these to connect my foot loop to my hand ascender for SRT and DRT climbing. Makes it easier to change to shorter one my daughter uses.
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honestly that looks scary as hell... does it slip around when you unweight it? i would be so paranoid that it would slip out 30ft up
Idk if this is a legit thing for arborists or rock climbing, but if it isn’t, please use a carabiner. I’m cringing looking at that.. if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it and if you’re worried about noise, wrap the carabiner with stealth strip or tape.
They use these for hammocks and even highlining. I was doubtful too until I used one. Even if you get slack in it, it doesn't work loose. I've shaken it around, and it doesn't come loose. And, I'm not one to take a lot of chances anymore since I fell when taking a stand down about 15 years ago. If a person does try it (at ground level first), I think a lot of doubts will go away.
In practice this is like a non-locking carabiner with a relatively tricky closing mechanism. I really encourage people NOT to use these for life support where if they are not set up correctly then you will fall. Trimming a miniscule amount of weight and cutting back on one source of noise simply isn't worth that. I'd suggest one of the locking carabiners that weigh around 40 grams (3 of them weigh 4 ounces) and then put something on it to silence it.
What happens if these get cross loaded? Too many what ifs.
I would consider an acceptable use of these anything where if they failed then you would still have your saddle or harness and tether to catch you.
What happens if these get cross loaded? Too many what ifs.
I would consider an acceptable use of these anything where if they failed then you would still have your saddle or harness and tether to catch you.
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Hammocks are lower to the ground and both hammocks and highlining are very different than getting up a tree in a dynamic way as far as direction and type of forces one would typically or accidentally encounter. For instance, I don't see how you could crossload a carabiner while sitting in a hammock. Also, highliners are by definition serious risk takers. I wouldn't take my safety cues from them.
If an arborist or rock climbers would say you definitely shouldn't do something, then I think that should give you serious pause within our context because we are closer to them than we are hammock folks or tightrope walkers.
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This is a link to how it works, but to tie it, it's just a continuous loop with button knot. He has a couple videos on there about making a button knot. I used 35 inches of 3/16" amsteel to make mine.
I don't need to test something if it is a bad idea based upon basic principles. I can see using this on platform or sticks, but no way for a tether or lineman's lanyard.
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