Beast stand - part2

[roosterstraw]

The platform is the ideal size in my opinion. Width and length is perfect for me. I’m 5’10, 185 with a size 11 boot. Played around with it for a couple hours the past two days. The cables don’t get in my way and I actually prefer to be able to feel the cables because I don’t have to think of where I’m at on the platform, I just know. I didn’t experience much flex in the platform but there is some there. I’m not worried about it and feel extremely safe if it. The only thing I dislike about the stand is the bracket. In my opinion it is to aggressive. It’s tough to cam lock in some trees. It penetrates too deep and doesn’t want to slide down in trees with thick bark. It does fine with thin bark and soft trees, it actually penetrates into the tree itself. I stopped practicing on my oak trees. I really don’t know why they didn’t taper the edges on it. Not a huge deal, I will just bring two straps.

 

[Dewey]

I think the platform is the perfect size for me with size 12 boots and don’t feel restricted at all.
Most of us spend much of our time on postage stamp size saddle platforms so who are we to complain about platform size?

 

[Plebe]

If you’re short, your feet will have to be inside the cables, makes functional width more like 14” when you account for boots. But you also don’t need as wide of a stance to give the boys room to breathe.

for a taller fellow, your feet can splay out and over end of stand. The problem with the .5 for me would be 70% of my boot not being on the platform with my Knees bent 90*. With this platform size just an inch or two hang off. I have plenty of width to sit as comfortably as it is possible to be in a hang on. I still think it could be 1-2” narrower.

Pretty much sums it up I think.

Except...For hybrid use:
- narrow cables may not be ideal for the bigger folk
- full boot support is achieved by smaller stand dimensions
- the springy end of the stand is kind of excessive unless one means to take a normal seat now and then

As a stand, I appreciate what the extra length offers taller hunters and wonder how this design compares to a shorter stand with a foot rest.

Intuitively, I’d anticipate it being easier to transition from sitting to standing on the Beast due to the longer platform. But with the flex at the end, I wonder if that doesn’t impact how folks make that maneuver (possibly moving feet back before standing like they would on a shorter stand with a foot rest).

Are you Beast owners finding any difference in how you take footing to stand up due to the flex? Or is it affirmative enough, that you stand up with your feet on the end of the platform without issue?

 

[enkriss]

Pretty much sums it up I think.

Except...For hybrid use:
- narrow cables may not be ideal for the bigger folk
- full boot support is achieved by smaller stand dimensions
- the springy end of the stand is kind of excessive unless one means to take a normal seat now and then

As a stand, I appreciate what the extra length offers taller hunters and wonder how this design compares to a shorter stand with a foot rest.

Intuitively, I’d anticipate it being easier to transition from sitting to standing on the Beast due to the longer platform. But with the flex at the end, I wonder if that doesn’t impact how folks make that maneuver (possibly moving feet back before standing like they would on a shorter stand with a foot rest).

Are you Beast owners finding any difference in how you take footing to stand up due to the flex? Or is it affirmative enough, that you stand up with your feet on the end of the platform without issue?

You can see the transition on the grating from okay to super thin. These super thin rungs in the from make the front of the stand flex excessively. Like a diving board. For me the last 4-6” of the platform I cant utilize because the flex to stand on.

 

[bigmike23]

Suppose alot comes down to what you weigh too. I'm 170 and the front flexes, but nothing that remotely concerns me

 

[enkriss]

Suppose alot comes down to what you weigh too. I'm 170 and the front flexes, but nothing that remotely concerns me

i am 240 and it concerns me a lot.

I would rather have full width rungs end to end and 2” shorter.

the TMA/ASTM spec only calls for the force to be applied to the middle of the stand so I guess the end doesn’t matter.

 

[rhagenw]

I’m pushing 200 and just standing on the outer edge I do notice some flex but I’m not concerned...it being machined it should warp before snapping and I plan on keeping an eye on it

 

[Plebe]

I’m pushing 200 and just standing on the outer edge I do notice some flex but I’m not concerned...it being machined it should warp before snapping and I plan on keeping an eye on it

I get some flex and spring on the edge of my saddle platform, but I find it not to be an issue because I'm supported by the saddle.

On a stand, I would worry more; breakage aside, I'd have concerns of it effecting my balance or contributing to a slip.

I think I'd have to get a feel for the stand to see, but at 230, I'm likely in the same boat as enkriss.

Shame of it is, thinning out that stand section probably didn't save much weight...I guess it was to go sub 7lbs. I think they'd have done just as well on the down side of 7.5, where folks would call it a "7lb" stand anyway.

 

[enkriss]

Where did you find out details about this? Any guess on what the weight will be?

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[kyler1945]

Pretty much sums it up I think.

Except...For hybrid use:
- narrow cables may not be ideal for the bigger folk
- full boot support is achieved by smaller stand dimensions
- the springy end of the stand is kind of excessive unless one means to take a normal seat now and then

As a stand, I appreciate what the extra length offers taller hunters and wonder how this design compares to a shorter stand with a foot rest.

Intuitively, I’d anticipate it being easier to transition from sitting to standing on the Beast due to the longer platform. But with the flex at the end, I wonder if that doesn’t impact how folks make that maneuver (possibly moving feet back before standing like they would on a shorter stand with a foot rest).

Are you Beast owners finding any difference in how you take footing to stand up due to the flex? Or is it affirmative enough, that you stand up with your feet on the end of the platform without issue?

Generally speaking, I try to stand up with my feet under me. If I were to stand up with my knees bent 90*, I’d have to lean out way over my knees to stand up.

it’s not realistic for anyone really to stand up that way.

I would consider the last few inches of the stand a foot rest. That you can stand on if you want, dealing with flex. But most folks aren’t spending a lot of time at the end of the stand. If you’re using this as a hybrid and leaning on end of stand, or facing tree with your toes on the end of the stand, you’re probably doing it wrong.

This isn’t saying it’s good or bad to be as thin as it is. But it isn’t designed with the type of forces being discussed above.

also, they don’t test stands with 300lbs hanging off the end of it. They stick 300lbs evenly distributed in middle of the stand. We should adjust expectations accordingly. It’s also why I don’t pay attention to weight ratings of saddle platforms either.

 

[enkriss]

Generally speaking, I try to stand up with my feet under me. If I were to stand up with my knees bent 90*, I’d have to lean out way over my knees to stand up.

it’s not realistic for anyone really to stand up that way.

I would consider the last few inches of the stand a foot rest. That you can stand on if you want, dealing with flex. But most folks aren’t spending a lot of time at the end of the stand. If you’re using this as a hybrid and leaning on end of stand, or facing tree with your toes on the end of the stand, you’re probably doing it wrong.

This isn’t saying it’s good or bad to be as thin as it is. But it isn’t designed with the type of forces being discussed above.

also, they don’t test stands with 300lbs hanging off the end of it. They stick 300lbs evenly distributed in middle of the stand. We should adjust expectations accordingly. It’s also why I don’t pay attention to weight ratings of saddle platforms either.

According to spec its double. So not 300lbs for a 300lb rating it’s 600lbs and this stand is rated at 275 so it should hold 550… From the middle. Trimming the rungs is a deceiving way to reduce the weight of the stands. I want to see someone with big enough balls hang 550lbs off the middle on the end of the stand. It will fold up.

This argument about not using the end of the stand is stupid. If the end of the stand is useless or a “footrest”. Its advertised as a 29x16 platform. All of that area is not usable. The .5 with its 23x16.5 platform essentially has more usable space and hardly any flex what so ever.

 

[kyler1945]

According to spec its double. So not 300lbs for a 300lb rating it’s 600lbs and this stand is rated at 275 so it should hold 550… From the middle. Trimming the rungs is a deceiving way to reduce the weight of the stands. I want to see someone with big enough balls hang 550lbs off the middle on the end of the stand. It will fold up.

This argument about not using the end of the stand is stupid. If the end of the stand is useless or a “footrest”. Its advertised as a 29x16 platform. All of that area is not usable. The .5 with its 23x16.5 platform essentially has more usable space and hardly any flex what so ever.

I was just pointing out how they test. I don’t disagree that it’s not good to have flex. But more about managing expectations.

If you want a 6lb stand with a 30” deep platform, this is what you get. If you want a 30” deep platform that doesn’t flex, you don’t get a 6lb stand.

 

[Plebe]

Generally speaking, I try to stand up with my feet under me. If I were to stand up with my knees bent 90*, I’d have to lean out way over my knees to stand up.

it’s not realistic for anyone really to stand up that way.

I would consider the last few inches of the stand a foot rest. That you can stand on if you want, dealing with flex. But most folks aren’t spending a lot of time at the end of the stand. If you’re using this as a hybrid and leaning on end of stand, or facing tree with your toes on the end of the stand, you’re probably doing it wrong.

This isn’t saying it’s good or bad to be as thin as it is. But it isn’t designed with the type of forces being discussed above.

also, they don’t test stands with 300lbs hanging off the end of it. They stick 300lbs evenly distributed in middle of the stand. We should adjust expectations accordingly. It’s also why I don’t pay attention to weight ratings of saddle platforms either.

Yea, I’ve never put much thought into how I stand up.

Probably seat height and individual build are factors. The higher the seat, the easier to just stand up. Like getting off of a barstool.

Then I don’t feel like I invest a lot of motion and energy getting off the pot and I don’t angle my feet backwards.

But a cushy couch where you’re sunk in, I see you’ve got to get a good forward lean for balance.

So...ironically I’m guessing it’s the shorter guys that benefit by being able to stand up without changing foot position much from seated without a lot of effort on the Beast Stand, with its higher seat height, whether they need the foot space or not.

 

[MIbowhunter49]

i am 240 and it concerns me a lot.

I would rather have full width rungs end to end and 2” shorter.

the TMA/ASTM spec only calls for the force to be applied to the middle of the stand so I guess the end doesn’t matter.

Not just that.. the overall integrity of the stand is going to come from the cable-attachment point back toward the tree.

From the cable attachment point forward, the rungs only need to resist bending/shearing in those couple inches. Easy for thin machined Aluminum to do.

This is likely a product of all the CAE work the beast guys boast about.


Can you tell the bending is happening only at the end of the platform, in the thinned out area? Not the entire thing flexing, because you're applying the biggest lever arm out at the end?

Sorta funny that the beast stand is thinned out in this area, but the 0.5 is doubled up..

 

[Plebe]

Not just that.. the overall integrity of the stand is going to come from the cable-attachment point back toward the tree.

From the cable attachment point forward, the rungs only need to resist bending/shearing in those couple inches. Easy for thin machined Aluminum to do.

This is likely a product of all the CAE work the beast guys boast about.


Can you tell the bending is happening only at the end of the platform, in the thinned out area? Not the entire thing flexing, because you're applying the biggest lever arm out at the end?

Sorta funny that the beast stand is thinned out in this area, but the 0.5 is doubled up..

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OG Lone Wolf have more material around the perimeter of the stands.

 

[enkriss]

Not just that.. the overall integrity of the stand is going to come from the cable-attachment point back toward the tree.

From the cable attachment point forward, the rungs only need to resist bending/shearing in those couple inches. Easy for thin machined Aluminum to do.

This is likely a product of all the CAE work the beast guys boast about.


Can you tell the bending is happening only at the end of the platform, in the thinned out area? Not the entire thing flexing, because you're applying the biggest lever arm out at the end?

Sorta funny that the beast stand is thinned out in this area, but the 0.5 is doubled up..

View attachment 48721

That doubled up part is just for attaching the waist belt.

The flex is mostly at the end I mean mine seems to of held a bit of a bend also. That seems bad. I had it for less than a week.

 

[kyler1945]

That doubled up part is just for attaching the waist belt.

The flex is mostly at the end I mean mine seems to of held a bit of a bend also. That seems bad. I had it for less than a week.

can you put a square on it? Curious!

 

[bigmike23]

Like I said before, we won't know what works and what doesn't till these products get field time. Will the tethrd sticks last a season? Will the beast stand? You may think something works great at first, but sucks in the field. Thought my Schnee Timberlines were the bees knees at the house, and I got burned bad on those after a few hunts. Gunna be a interesting fall for sure

 

[roosterstraw]

Like I said before, we won't know what works and what doesn't till these products get field time. Will the tethrd sticks last a season? Will the beast stand? You may think something works great at first, but sucks in the field. Thought my Schnee Timberlines were the bees knees at the house, and I got burned bad on those after a few hunts. Gunna be a interesting fall for sure

Agreed. The good thing is, we have options now. A new light weight cast stand, lwcg, beast, lw, OOL.

 

[Anobody]

The moral of the story to me is that sweet spot (for normal to bigger a hunters) between. Size, strength and weight was the 8.5 assault. If u subtract or add from any of those three variables that stand hit the other two suffer.

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