I understand, but if I put my toe into the tree I wobble. If I put my foot sideways it works good for me.
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Bullman Apex 2.0 for climbing
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To each their own. It comes down to personal opinion in the end.
Sorry if I came across the wrong way. I was just trying to give a different option that has worked for me.
Didn’t come across the wrong way at all, just saying it’s all personal preference.
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Ive been dragging my feet on picking up a few as well.
He is offering a cam to flat hook now, which is how I climbed with pioneers. The grey strap and durability looks promising vs the black straps I was using.
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I was just pondering this.....I think you could anchor the daisy chain tag end by going over the top of the step and under the lower support several times....this would hold pretty tight with friction when stepping down.
Let us know how it works.
Are these lighter (bare steps) than the tree hoppers?
My Treehoppers weigh 5oz on my scale. The Apex are advertised at 3oz.
Edit: I like the way that the Treehoppers are solid on the tree.
I do not like all the sharp edges. That can be fixed with a small file. I did have one that was 40% under weight.
Should they have a date code if they have to do a recall?
Edit: I like the way that the Treehoppers are solid on the tree.
I do not like all the sharp edges. That can be fixed with a small file. I did have one that was 40% under weight.
Should they have a date code if they have to do a recall?
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I got my Apex steps in. You can see from the picture I have tried just about every public land legal step I can find. The Treehoppers were the most solid until now.
Since my left foot is in a boot, fractured, I cannot really climb on them. But I hung a platform, tied on one Apex and stood on it with my right foot. The step seemed solid. The step set, slid down like a climbing stick, was tight to the tree. I did not experience any pull away. So I think these may work well.
I did send a list of questions to Bullman. When I get some answers I will post it here.
The Apex have a larger foot area then the Treehoppers. Also since the Apex are parallel to the ground, see pictue they are more comfortable. Because of the steep angle on the Treehopper it is hard to use all of the step area.
The Apex pack much smaller and 6 steps weigh 1lb 12oz ready to hunt.
The Apex steps seem to be made from a different material then the Treehopper and this was one of my questions to Bullman. I also asked if the steps were tested in cold weather.
Since my left foot is in a boot, fractured, I cannot really climb on them. But I hung a platform, tied on one Apex and stood on it with my right foot. The step seemed solid. The step set, slid down like a climbing stick, was tight to the tree. I did not experience any pull away. So I think these may work well.
I did send a list of questions to Bullman. When I get some answers I will post it here.
The Apex have a larger foot area then the Treehoppers. Also since the Apex are parallel to the ground, see pictue they are more comfortable. Because of the steep angle on the Treehopper it is hard to use all of the step area.
The Apex pack much smaller and 6 steps weigh 1lb 12oz ready to hunt.
The Apex steps seem to be made from a different material then the Treehopper and this was one of my questions to Bullman. I also asked if the steps were tested in cold weather.
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What's your method for tying on? I see metal triglides. Are you doing a trucker's hitch and then terminating on the triglide?
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I thought you’d like the 2.0’s
Yes.
You were right again, LOL.
One other thing I did not like about the Treehopper is all the sharp edges. They poked holes in my EWO pouch and paint pockets.
FYI, I sent these questions to Bullman Outdoors.
1. What material are they made from? Is it the same as the Treehopper or old Ameristep's?
2. You list a rate rating of 300 lbs. Can you explain the test method?
3. Have you done any weight testing at extreme cold temperatures. Example, do they get brittle at 0F?
4. If you dropped one while climbing and it fell on a rock say from 12 feet, will that hurt the step.?
These are the answers I received.
"As far as the material it is a proprietary blend devised from a friend in the plastic industry.
The base was from an industry that required the plastic to perform at very cold temperatures and has a brittleness rating of 100 below !
So it is made for the cold to answer a later question.
The testing is to ASTM/TMA standards.
A 300 lb rating gets 10,000 compressions at 300lbs as well as holds 2X desired weight rating ( 600lbs) for 2 mins without signs of breakage or distortion.
These tests are performed by a 3rd party ASTM certified testing facility.
We beat the steps with a sledge hammer and have issues getting them to break. I don't think the step would even notice being droped on a rock."
I asked these questions before i receved the steps. You can tell that the material of the Apex is different than the Treehopper.
1. What material are they made from? Is it the same as the Treehopper or old Ameristep's?
2. You list a rate rating of 300 lbs. Can you explain the test method?
3. Have you done any weight testing at extreme cold temperatures. Example, do they get brittle at 0F?
4. If you dropped one while climbing and it fell on a rock say from 12 feet, will that hurt the step.?
These are the answers I received.
"As far as the material it is a proprietary blend devised from a friend in the plastic industry.
The base was from an industry that required the plastic to perform at very cold temperatures and has a brittleness rating of 100 below !
So it is made for the cold to answer a later question.
The testing is to ASTM/TMA standards.
A 300 lb rating gets 10,000 compressions at 300lbs as well as holds 2X desired weight rating ( 600lbs) for 2 mins without signs of breakage or distortion.
These tests are performed by a 3rd party ASTM certified testing facility.
We beat the steps with a sledge hammer and have issues getting them to break. I don't think the step would even notice being droped on a rock."
I asked these questions before i receved the steps. You can tell that the material of the Apex is different than the Treehopper.
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I can also verify the information Shawn gave you is true. I wish he had been able to attend the meet up so that he could have showed off some of the steps in person
Thanks @boyne bowhunter for the post on the Timber hitch. I just tried it on the Apex steps. I do have a problem, what am I going to do with all these daisy chains, LOL.
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