DIY cinching, retrievable anchor: JRB Cinch

[gcr0003]

So how does this work. You pull down the carabiner, unhook, then pull the bite of rappel rope out of the rappel ring?

 

[gcr0003]

That method has been known for many years, both for Moving Rope redirects and removing remote cinched anchor points.

what the name called?

 

[John RB]

So how does this work. You pull down the carabiner, unhook, then pull the bite of rappel rope out of the rappel ring?

I will take some photos tomorrow for ya brother... but are u asking how i get it up high? Or how i retrieve it? Or both?

And on the other question to @Brocky , i have also been looking for any existing videos of something like this but struck out. I know others have used rappel rings to build anchors but the way i have it rigged in one piece and can use a simple stick to set it 4 ft over my head or a pole to set it 20ft... i haven't seen that.

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[gcr0003]

I will take some photos tomorrow for ya brother... but are u asking how i get it up high? Or how i retrieve it? Or both?

And on the other question to @Brocky , i have also been looking for any existing videos of something like this but struck out. I know others have used rappel rings to build anchors but the way i have it rigged in one piece and can use a simple stick to set it 4 ft over my head or a pole to set it 20ft... i haven't seen that.

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Just wondering how you retrieve it. Did I describe it correctly?

 

[Brocky]

Don’t know of a name for it when it was used for redirects, there are many variations on it. These are set up and the climber works down from them rather than climbing up to them. It is also used to hold a climber close to the trunk while cutting it down, called a Monkey’s Tail. Kevin Bingham used it for awhile when he was developing the Rope Wrench, called it the Fate Revolver. I don’t see an advantage of using a Buffalo over a Scaffold/Poacher, the typical breaking point is where the rope enters the knot. The extra wraps would help on something like a pole for better gripping, but on a ring they just reduce the area inside the ring.

 

[TNSTAAFL]

I don’t see an advantage of using a Buffalo over a Scaffold/Poacher, the typical breaking point is where the rope enters the knot. The extra wraps would help on something like a pole for better gripping, but on a ring they just reduce the area inside the ring.

Interesting. Do you think the inside space reduction helps, hurts, or has no impact on functionality as intended?

 

[John RB]

Just wondering how you retrieve it. Did I describe it correctly?

I took a couple photos. I will attach one at a time. See if this all makes sense. As for using the scaffold, it's a no go for me because there are scenarios where the ring may need to be removed. It is not a reliable prospect to be able to remove a scaffold from a ring after loading without pliers or a knife. I have had to cut some off after significant loads. So far, I am always able to remove Buffalo. As for this being used in the arborist industry, i am yet to see it used with the umbilical tether on the beaner. That is how i can use a pole to set it 20 ft over my head from the ground. Removal is done by pulling the beaner, whether with a cord or the pole, as pictured.

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[John RB]

This is the hitch as affixed by hand: Buffalo Hitch on a ring accepts a Bight and is toggled by a beaner, sheathed in tubing, and with an umbilical tether in the black cord.

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[John RB]

This is where you put the pole to move it up the tree.

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[John RB]

Moving it... with a little left / right movement of the pole...

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[John RB]

Set high enough for a one sticker to get a lot more out of the next move

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[TNSTAAFL]

I took a couple photos. I will attach one at a time. See if this all makes sense. As for using the scaffold, it's a no go for me because there are scenarios where the ring may need to be removed. It is not a reliable prospect to be able to remove a scaffold from a ring after loading without pliers or a knife. I have had to cut some off after significant loads. So far, I am always able to remove Buffalo. As for this being used in the arborist industry, i am yet to see it used with the umbilical tether on the beaner. That is how i can use a pole to set it 20 ft over my head from the ground. Removal is done by pulling the beaner, whether with a cord or the pole, as pictured.

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Ok. So there it is. Pole deployment system coming. Waiting on that video patiently. Sort of.

Finding the ideal pole may be the next great search, with a typical Saddlehunter effect.

Maybe some small niche company will come to market with a carbon fiber telescopic pole. 2' collapsed. 18' extended. 1.5 lbs

 

[John RB]

Screen shot from a video on my Facebook group...

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[John RB]

Ok. So there it is. Pole deployment system coming. Waiting on that video patiently. Sort of.

Finding the ideal pole may be the next great search, with a typical Saddlehunter effect.

Maybe some small niche company will come to market with a carbon fiber telescopic pole. 2' collapsed. 18' extended. 1.5 lbs

Well, yes, whenever i INTRODUCE something, the first step is to introduce it, simply because I might be mistaken and not knowing it has already been introduced. And with this, as I stated in the video, I know that something like it is used in arborist industry. But I'm not aware of anyone using 1. the umbilical tether which facilitates movement and 2. ensures we can't drop our beaner. 3. Having it tied it with a hitch like Buffalo which can easily be removed after significant load.

I did a canopy pruning of an apple tree this spring and used it for redirects in the canopy.

And this will transform JRB hitch climbing into a new system

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[Brocky]

This is a climbing system, not rigging, shouldn’t be routinely seeing significant loads. It is in a basket configuration, only seeing half the load.

 

[gcr0003]

Thanks @John RB thats how I was visioning it. I’m curious, if you had this set over a limb, would you then need double the rope in order to pull it down to you far enough to remove the carabiner? Also, from your testing is the carabiner to the mainline piece necessary to help pull everything down? Thanks for the pictures.

 

[John RB]

Thanks @John RB thats how I was visioning it. I’m curious, if you had this set over a limb, would you then need double the rope in order to pull it down to you far enough to remove the carabiner? Also, from your testing is the carabiner to the mainline piece necessary to help pull everything down? Thanks for the pictures.

Hey. Your questions, my responses...

Q: if you had this set over a limb, would you then need double the rope in order to pull it down to you far enough to remove the carabiner?
A: set over a limb? For starters, the hitch wont "run" and is set if there is a hand or a pole on it. For example, ya wouldn't use it as an SRT canopy anchor installed from the ground using a throwball or paracord preset... just cuz ya can't pull it up .... unless ya rerig your paracord to pull it up, which is more than i can explain. But if ya want a canopy anchor, you could do what's pictured. I would only do so if using a steel beaner because of forces on the beaner.

Q: from your testing is the carabiner to the mainline piece necessary to help pull everything down?
A: if there is no "umbilical tether" (the black cord) between the beaner and Buffalo Hitch, it won't retrieve. And the beaner becomes droppable. Crucial components must not be droppable in my systems.

Hopefully u can watch the vids soon. Cheers

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[John RB]

Replace my aluminum beaner with steel and manage the rigging so the gate isn't taking the load against a curved tree part, and this is an option. Personally, i wouldn't need to use this because no anchor is better (JRB doubled rope climbing)

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[BTaylor]

Ok. So there it is. Pole deployment system coming. Waiting on that video patiently. Sort of.

Finding the ideal pole may be the next great search, with a typical Saddlehunter effect.

Maybe some small niche company will come to market with a carbon fiber telescopic pole. 2' collapsed. 18' extended. 1.5 lbs

Just checked and one of my walmart hiking sticks is 25" collapsed and weighs 10.5 ounces. It should let me set the rope at about 12'. Should only need one additional rope set for most hunts to be 17-20 feet. Might not work great on hackberry but should work pretty well on most other trees.

 

[John RB]

Just checked and one of my walmart hiking sticks is 25" collapsed and weighs 10.5 ounces. It should let me set the rope at about 12'. Should only need one additional rope set for most hunts to be 17-20 feet. Might not work great on hackberry but should work pretty well on most other trees.

I have several telescoping poles and can get it up some fairly gnarly trees. The red hook was my first attempt but works well. Just bent one side of a U shaped tool hanger 90 degrees .

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