there are some Sitka fanatic lite bibs on close out at a few places online, that, unlike camofire, are actually my size. I‘ve read that stratus are far better due to the windlayer, but since i don’t have a pair at all, these are under $200, and there are few days during the rut here in NJ that get below 30 F, I’m pretty sure i can layer under them to make Them work. I also wear a big old warm cabelas coat that only failed last year due to the gap with the pants, shimmying the saddle, etc, and I’m wearing simple huntworth pants also no windlayer I’m rarely doing all day sits, more, of a go in at Lunch time guy. Any reason not to pull the trigger on either the fanatic lite bibs, or the ESW bibs? Reality is, I’m not going to spend $360 on a pair of stratus bibs