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Eberhart Signature Saddle Intro

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Thanks for posting that. A lot of clanking and banging going on as that thing moves around and if you stealth strip or tape that d-ring its going to defeat the "advantage" John E. talks about as to why they are there. Also, I cant imagine that triglide doesnt get in the way of the tether biner when it slides through it when you are shifting your weight or twisting from side to side....plus the metal triglide hitting a metal binder sounds like another noise point.

I look forward to a review after its been played with in a tree--hopefully there will be some good video of that too!

thanks!
 
Vtbow said:
Thanks for posting that. A lot of clanking and banging going on as that thing moves around and if you stealth strip or tape that d-ring its going to defeat the "advantage" John E. talks about as to why they are there. Also, I cant imagine that triglide doesnt get in the way of the tether biner when it slides through it when you are shifting your weight or twisting from side to side....plus the metal triglide hitting a metal binder sounds like another noise point.

I look forward to a review after its been played with in a tree--hopefully there will be some good video of that too!

thanks!
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The clanging is the first thing that sprang to mind
 
Vtbow said:
Thanks for posting that. A lot of clanking and banging going on as that thing moves around and if you stealth strip or tape that d-ring its going to defeat the "advantage" John E. talks about as to why they are there. Also, I cant imagine that triglide doesnt get in the way of the tether biner when it slides through it when you are shifting your weight or twisting from side to side....plus the metal triglide hitting a metal binder sounds like another noise point.

I look forward to a review after its been played with in a tree--hopefully there will be some good video of that too!

thanks!
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Agree. Too much metal. Also interested in the generic looking buckle they went with.


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Vtbow,

I don't think the bridge sliding on the D-ring is an "advantage" or a "big deal" . I can't see a scenario where the bridge wouldn't be 180 degrees directly opposite the webbing. The reasoning is that the way that the webbing is routed, you have opposing forces all going through the D-ring. For example, the uppermost webbing is the same webbing as the lower most webbing on the ESS. So any pressure is being offset at the D-ring itself. Even in the ESS video, when John moves the panels, the bridge attachment when under weight doesn't move from being directly opposite the webbing in the D-ring. If my assumption is correct, then one could stealth strip the D-ring. To me, I don't see the advantage yet. I would like to see someone have that bridge anywhere but directly opposite the webbing when under weight/tension (assuming you don't have any tension coming from the leg loops).

Secondly, regarding the triglide on the bridge. I believe you can adjust that to be right near the D-ring, however, you would just have a very long tail of webbing, which you can cut to length. So I think that is a non-issue. I will say that I would have put the triglide on the left hand side, rather than the right hand side, as most archers are right handed and would pivot to their left. Thus, you would have the full ability to utilize the bridge on the right hand side without interference of the triglide.

I also hope the gentleman in the video misspoke when referring to the D-rings as being hollow.
 
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Cool colors and nice box.... that’s the only good things I have to say so we’ll keep it to that lmfao


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Navigator said:
Vtbow,

I don't think the bridge sliding on the D-ring is an "advantage" or a "big deal" . I can't see a scenario where the bridge wouldn't be 180 degrees directly opposite the webbing. The reasoning is that the way that the webbing is routed, you have opposing forces all going through the D-ring. For example, the uppermost webbing is the same webbing as the lower most webbing on the ESS. So any pressure is being offset at the D-ring itself. Even in the ESS video, when John moves the panels, the bridge attachment when under weight doesn't move from being directly opposite the webbing in the D-ring. If my assumption is correct, then one could stealth strip the D-ring. To me, I don't see the advantage yet. I would like to see someone have that bridge anywhere but directly opposite the webbing when under weight/tension (assuming you don't have any tension coming from the leg loops).

Secondly, regarding the triglide on the bridge. I believe you can adjust that to be right near the D-ring, however, you would just have a very long tail of webbing, which you can cut to length. So I think that is a non-issue. I will say that I would have put the triglide on the left hand side, rather than the right hand side, as most archers are right handed and would pivot to their left. Thus, you would have the full ability to utilize the bridge on the right hand side without interference of the triglide.

I also hope the gentleman in the video misspoke when referring to the D-rings as being hollow.
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Agreed, I honestly see zero advantage to the huge A$$ d rings. amd Yes, it appears you coud slide the triglide all the way to the right near the d ring, but then, yes you end up with a crap load of tail, and two more pieces of metal closer to each other. Also, triglides are not very adjustable when under weight. can you release them, sure, but not in a controlled manner, and in order to tighten it, your giong to have to completely unweight the bridge, which in itself might be a tough maneuver unless you're standing on a platform...which might introduce slack into the system--even if just for a very short timeframe...
 
I thought it might be labeled on the box, rather than on the sling itself (why would you want to put that on the sling when you have the American Flag there?) Also, does it say anywhere "Made in USA"?

I think under the American Flag symbol it states "Tethrd Nation", much like some other logos I've seen on Tethrd's site, but I haven't seen a good image of the one on the ESS.
 
Really I prefer North American made but if the China can make it cheaper and just as well and it is not of strategic importance, I don't care if it is made in China. In this case the recon is cheaper and likely at least equal quality. So I would rather have a recon or even a latitude. Saddles believe it or not are not of strategic importance.
I have that attitude because China does buy our pork, soybeans, corn and wheat. Just the attitude of a farmer, I guess.
Most of our clothing comes from China.
I am sure John E. makes more money if it is made there or there is no available manufacturing in the USA or it is more costly to produce in the USA>
 
bigmike23 said:
The sticks are made in china, and I guarantee the same people who complain about where this saddles made will buy those within minutes of dropping
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I dont think everyone is complaining about where its made necessarily, just the transparency into where it is made based upon the advertising(though John E. himself was personally very open about where it was made, so kudos to him!).

Personally, I wont be buying either, but if I was in the market and this sling fit the bill of what I was looking for I"d purchase it. The sticks are cool, but the weight savings isnt worth the price.
 
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I dont think everyone is complaining about where its made necessarily, just the transparency into where it is made based upon the advertising(though John E. himself was personally very open about where it was made, so kudos to him!).
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This exactly. It’s a personal preference about buying American or not. I try to support American manufacturing as much as possible especially in my hunting gear. The information on the website is misleading for those of us that care about that kind of thing.

As for their sticks, I can’t bring myself to spend that much on a way up the tree with all of the less expensive alternatives available.


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Got the ESS today my thoughts are it’s a very well made product Maybe the best made I have seen.
I have no doubt this saddle will last for years and be comfortable like most all sling style saddles are.
This isn’t a review because I’ll be honest I didn’t even try it out on a tree I pulled it out of the box figured out how to put it on and that’s as far as I got.
I have no plans to mess with it again I like my phantom and it’s perfect for my style of hunting.
Sorry I can’t give you guys better feedback but my season is open and with work I can’t give you guys a really good review all I’ll say is it’s high quality.






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This will be my only post on the ESS, which did arrive today, and I just spent the better part of an hour and a half with. My repect for John Eberhart is way up there. I have no intention of getting into a "pick it to pieces" discussion about his creation. It's a great saddle and it will not be showing up on the classifieds. All politics aside, although I'm not happy its made in China, it obviously wasn't a deal breaker for me buying it. I don't care what your opinion on this is as I guarantee every person on this forum has invested in China more times than you can count.
That said, here is the 1 1/2 hour lessons learned.
Pros:
  1. Very comfortable, just as comfortable as the Method, which has won consistently with me in all the other comparisons, and absolutely turned me into a two-panel saddle lover.
  2. Everybody wondering about, or if there is a D-ring advantage; Because both panels are adjoined and slip thru the D-ring, it is extremely easy to adjust the panel positions, either one very smoothly. (Someone mentioned the D-ring may be hollow, its not) That may not be John's purpose for it but that def. hit a high note with me.
  3. Obviously very light.
  4. The web bridge really gives you a slick mating surface with the carabiner, to turn in the saddle, in a static position, very smooth, which we all understand is a benefit of webbing vs rope, whether you like them or not. I do.
  5. The belt is also minimal and easy to adjust.
  6. Very well constructed and sewn
Cons:
  1. The leg straps being attached to the D-ring is probably the biggest negative for me. It makes you fit them too loose, so as not to inhibit leg movement when walking, or, when tightening them up, it creates a bad angle and does inhibit leg movement. So this is probably something I just need more time with to figure out, so don't take my word for this one. It could well be me. And on the flip side, I don't think they are necessary anyways, although I'm reluctant to cut them off (yet).
  2. The bridge web is thin, i wish it were more robust, but that again is just me and my fear of heights talking. So only a con with me, not necessarily a con at all in reality.

If I had to make a choice right now, the Latitude Method wins by a thin hair. But again, I have to spend more time with the ESS. Since I'm actually pretty easy to please, I'm not looking for every little thing to critique about the ESS or any of the five Ive tried now. They all have their own pros and cons, and that was the first thing I realized tonight as I was switching back and forth with the Method. Its not perfect either, and I'm convinced there is no perfect saddle. (I admire they guys making their own in that quest).

I can see me cutting the leg straps off and not looking back at some point, and that will go a long way toward the ESS gaining points. The Method does not have leg straps and I'm more included to think no saddle really needs them.

In the end, the real winner is still my 20 year old Suede Leather Trophy line that I have nick-named the Lazy Boy. Its heavy, and you can't hunt it in the rain, but oh man, if you want to hang from an hour before daylight til dark, this is the KING. So there's that. LOL.

As you begin to rip into this, let's just remember the guy that designed this saddle is the best Whitetail hunter on the planet, and the guy that wrote this could care less about petty details and criticism of his post. Use what you like, if this helped you make a choice, great.
 
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