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Friction Hitches

I tried the 7mm VT on some of the PI and wasn’t able to get reliable grabbing either, it needed another wrap, but hitch cord wasn’t long enough.
 
Brocky said:
I tried the 7mm VT on some of the PI and wasn’t able to get reliable grabbing either, it needed another wrap, but hitch cord wasn’t long enough.
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Thanks for the confirmation. I wonder if anyone has compiled a list of the friction hitches that can be released under load. Self tending is nice, but I am not against using a tender. I have a rope man and realy like the ease of use, but I would like to be able to release it under load as well as ditch more metal and mechanical stuff.
 
Do you have any concerns about the heat being generated while trying to descend on only a friction hitch? I have not tried any of these hitches yet but I have seen pictures of sheaths that have some melting on them from the high heat.


Brocky said:
Oval VT, Sticht, Synergy X, JRB, and WLR are the ones I know, I call them SRT hitches because they are able to release under full body weight. Found this a few years back, it was sound advice until recently.
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redsquirrel said:
Do you have any concerns about the heat being generated while trying to descend on only a friction hitch? I have not tried any of these hitches yet but I have seen pictures of sheaths that have some melting on them from the high heat.
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I only use the breaking under load characteristic as a tool to adjust my tethers while 2TC, in the stand, or to start my rappel so it’s only a few inches to a couple feet most of the time. When rappelling I always use a friction device such as a ATC or figure 8. I DO NOT ride only a friction hitch down unless it’s an emergency and would not recommend anyone rely solely on a friction hitch.

With a double stationary rope method where each rope is holding only 1/2 of your weight, I would have more confidence in riding just the hitch down, but would still use a friction hitch unless necessary.
 
A fast descent would glaze up the non Aramid covers, even something like an all nylon, or dyneema cord isn’t going to melt to the point of breaking on the distances used for hunting. I like to carry a belay device for long or if needed a quick descent.

Utkjsilver said:
Does anyone have a picture or diagram of the Bowie? I tried the jbrah this morning before work and very much liked it. Tried the metal free Sticht and it seemed good at first. Then slipped bad and didn't bite after messing around for a few minutes. I can now get it to not bite consistently. Glad I found that out before climbing with it. I have 8mm Bluewater I believe on 11.4 mm poison ivy.
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I tried the second version of the non metal Sticht had no problem with it grabbing, and had enough cord to add another wrap, still released easy, but felt more secure.
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gcr0003 said:
I only use the breaking under load characteristic as a tool to adjust my tethers while 2TC, in the stand, or to start my rappel so it’s only a few inches to a couple feet most of the time. When rappelling I always use a friction device such as a ATC or figure 8. I DO NOT ride only a friction hitch down unless it’s an emergency and would not recommend anyone rely solely on a friction hitch.

With a double stationary rope method where each rope is holding only 1/2 of your weight, I would have more confidence in riding just the hitch down, but would still use a friction hitch unless necessary.
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I agree. I use an ATC as well. I just wanted to bring the topic up. Especially for situations where people may be repeatedly doing this on the same rope during the season and not replacing it often.
 
BTaylor said:
The happy hands released under load just fine for me too.
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I should have added the HH, if the legs are kept short it doesn’t seem to bind up.
If you push up hitches using two hands, a lot more won’t bind up like they do when the hitches are tended by pulling up on the rope.
 
Brocky said:
I should have added the HH, if the legs are kept short it doesn’t seem to bind up.
If you push up hitches using two hands, a lot more won’t bind up like they do when the hitches are tended by pulling up on the rope.
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Yeah I re-tied the ones I posted pics of so I could shorten the legs.
 
Anyone know a friction hitch that can be on a loop to the same rope? What I mean is I have an old sit drag that I want to use as a back band. I want to attach it to my bridge carabiner but keep it adjustable. I plan to girth hitch one side to the sit drag, and then through the bridge carabiner, then loop through the sit drag attachment on the other. I am trying to find a friction knot that can connect after the sit drag loop onto itself. I understand that two ropes of the same size are not ideal for friction hitches. It is not fall protection. Just something that can hold fairly well. Hope I explained it clearly.
 
Utkjsilver said:
Anyone know a friction hitch that can be on a loop to the same rope? What I mean is I have an old sit drag that I want to use as a back band. I want to attach it to my bridge carabiner but keep it adjustable. I plan to girth hitch one side to the sit drag, and then through the bridge carabiner, then loop through the sit drag attachment on the other. I am trying to find a friction knot that can connect after the sit drag loop onto itself. I understand that two ropes of the same size are not ideal for friction hitches. It is not fall protection. Just something that can hold fairly well. Hope I explained it clearly.
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Blake's hitch might work. Works with same size rope. Good luck!

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Utkjsilver said:
Aha. Looks like the grip hitch will be the easiest.
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Seems like the Blake's hitch is a more secure version of the grip hitch. As you stated it's not load bearing but the Blake's is easy enough to tie that I would use that to avoid needing to clean my shorts, just my thoughts without any experiences with the grip hitch though. Id be interested in pictures of how you route this after you get it set up.

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I bought one of those wild line rope lineman belts. Someone has to show me how to tie that hitch. That thing is badass!
 
enkriss said:
I bought one of those wild line rope lineman belts. Someone has to show me how to tie that hitch. That thing is badass!
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enkriss said:
I bought one of those wild line rope lineman belts. Someone has to show me how to tie that hitch. That thing is badass!
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enkriss said:
I bought one of those wild line rope lineman belts. Someone has to show me how to tie that hitch. That thing is badass!
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The hitch is actually called the WLR hitch. It’s friggin’ amazing.

WLR Hitch Discussion

WLR Hitch Discussion

I know there is already some discussion in the new product thread about the product from Wild Line Ropes. I don’t want to talk about that here. I would rather foster some conversation on the hitch itself. I would also like to get some folks including myself to try it out and see what works and...
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And here is how to tie the WLR hitch

 
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