Heavy arrow bone breaking results on large deer

[BTaylor]

If you are tuned and happy with the flight characteristics, I wouldnt change it. I would expect that setup to bust through pretty much anything you shoot with it at normal whitetail hunting distances. I have shot lengthwise through deer down here with a similar setup. I know you have bigger bodied deer up there but I have buddies consistently shooting through mature deer in KS and IA with lighter setups. I would shoot your setup with absolute confidence that I could shoot any deer at any angle and expect lethal results if I do my part with arrow placement.

 

[mattsteg]

If you are tuned and happy with the flight characteristics, I wouldnt change it.

This is far more important than making marginal gear tweaks. Good flight that you're confident with, plus regular practice and consistent execution are what makes the difference. Not +/- 50 grains or 10 fps.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

For those that have broke through heavy bone (humerus or knuckle near humerus) please provide:
rough arrow speed
Arrow weight
broadhead type
rough weight of the deer (estimate).

I’m gathering some data...thought this would be helpful to others


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I personally have not shattered the shoulder of a deer with my bow set up only with a 30-30. Most of my deer shots have been placed well enough for pass through, but last season I took a 293 lbs hog with my heavy broadhead set up. I shot the pig a little high which barely grazed one lung, then the arrow passed directly into the mammoth shoulder of that sucker. The shoulder stopped the arrow but the broadhead cracked the shoulder. At initial impact it actually knocked the hog over, he got up and ran real wobbly towards the palmettos, a few seconds later he crashed 40 yards from my shot. He never bled so luckily I could see him when I got down from the tree. When I skinned him, I got my broadhead and a piece of the arrow back. The shoulder had a 2” curved crack in it almost the shape of an “S”.
I shoot 70lbs, my draw Length is 32”, I shoot 32” arrows, with the broadhead, insert, right helical feathers and my knock my total weight is 653 grains. My clocked arrow speed at the indoor bow shop range is 239 FPS which is very slow BUT the silence and the impact of heavy arrows with single bevel broadheads is unbelievable.Occasionally on a pass through the animal doesn’t even act like it knows it was shot. Other times like that hog, you hit a blunt object such as a shoulder and WAM! It knocks them clean over

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

I personally have not shattered the shoulder of a deer with my bow set up only with a 30-30. Most of my deer shots have been placed well enough for pass through, but last season I took a 293 lbs hog with my heavy broadhead set up. I shot the pig a little high which barely grazed one lung, then the arrow passed directly into the mammoth shoulder of that sucker. The shoulder stopped the arrow but the broadhead cracked the shoulder. At initial impact it actually knocked the hog over, he got up and ran real wobbly towards the palmettos, a few seconds later he crashed 40 yards from my shot. He never bled so luckily I could see him when I got down from the tree. When I skinned him, I got my broadhead and a piece of the arrow back. The shoulder had a 2” curved crack in it almost the shape of an “S”.
I shoot 70lbs, my draw Length is 32”, I shoot 32” arrows, with the broadhead, insert, right helical feathers and my knock my total weight is 653 grains. My clocked arrow speed at the indoor bow shop range is 239 FPS which is very slow BUT the silence and the impact of heavy arrows with single bevel broadheads is unbelievable.Occasionally on a pass through the animal doesn’t even act like it knows it was shot. Other times like that hog, you hit a blunt object such as a shoulder and WAM! It knocks them clean over

Sorry my arrows are Gold tip hunter 250 spine @ 10.6 GPI
I use a 100 grain brass insert
200 grain Grizzly Stick Overkill
And the smallest lightest feathers and knock I can find that day attached in right helical.

 

[Weldabeast]

I personally have not shattered the shoulder of a deer with my bow set up only with a 30-30. Most of my deer shots have been placed well enough for pass through, but last season I took a 293 lbs hog with my heavy broadhead set up. I shot the pig a little high which barely grazed one lung, then the arrow passed directly into the mammoth shoulder of that sucker. The shoulder stopped the arrow but the broadhead cracked the shoulder. At initial impact it actually knocked the hog over, he got up and ran real wobbly towards the palmettos, a few seconds later he crashed 40 yards from my shot. He never bled so luckily I could see him when I got down from the tree. When I skinned him, I got my broadhead and a piece of the arrow back. The shoulder had a 2” curved crack in it almost the shape of an “S”.
I shoot 70lbs, my draw Length is 32”, I shoot 32” arrows, with the broadhead, insert, right helical feathers and my knock my total weight is 653 grains. My clocked arrow speed at the indoor bow shop range is 239 FPS which is very slow BUT the silence and the impact of heavy arrows with single bevel broadheads is unbelievable.Occasionally on a pass through the animal doesn’t even act like it knows it was shot. Other times like that hog, you hit a blunt object such as a shoulder and WAM! It knocks them clean over

That is the reason I decided to go heavy....I have yet to have an encounter with them but I got some whoppers on trail cam and I want to feel like I stand a chance if we cross paths someday...

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

That is the reason I decided to go heavy....I have yet to have an encounter with them but I got some whoppers on trail cam and I want to feel like I stand a chance if we cross paths someday...

Back when I was using montec g 5’s or whatever they were called and aluminum inserts, my total arrow weight was around 440 grains. I shot a massive hog at 17 yards, it hit the shield and the arrow stopped 8 inches into him. He ran off and I tracked his blood trail for an hour and a half found the broken part of the arrow sticking out of him (which is how I know how deep it went). I went all the way home got my blue tick went back out and never did track down that hog. It was on that day I swore off light arrows and began researching all things Ashby related. Don’t get me wrong, I am not an extremist like the Ranch Fairy, but I do know the value of a sharp single bevel and a high FOC...
That Ranch Fairy dude shoots 700 plus grains which is wild, but I simply cannot argue with success.

 

[Wmihunter]

Back when I was using montec g 5’s or whatever they were called and aluminum inserts, my total arrow weight was around 440 grains. I shot a massive hog at 17 yards, it hit the shield and the arrow stopped 8 inches into him. He ran off and I tracked his blood trail for an hour and a half found the broken part of the arrow sticking out of him (which is how I know how deep it went). I went all the way home got my blue tick went back out and never did track down that hog. It was on that day I swore off light arrows and began researching all things Ashby related. Don’t get me wrong, I am not an extremist like the Ranch Fairy, but I do know the value of a sharp single bevel and a high FOC...
That Ranch Fairy dude shoots 700 plus grains which is wild, but I simply cannot argue with success.

What’s your setup now?


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[Fl Canopy Stalker]

What’s your setup now?


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Sorry my arrows are Gold tip hunter 250 spine @ 10.6 GPI
I use a 100 grain brass insert
200 grain Grizzly Stick Overkill
And the smallest lightest feathers and knock I can find that day attached in right helical.

 

[tailgunner]

You can find kinetic energy calculators for speed and weight.I asumed more weight more energy but losing velocity to weight loses peak KE after a sertain point like all things there is a fine ballance.but ke is not everything heavier projectiles are more consistent especially at distance and I'n rain and wind

 

[tailgunner]

You can find kinetic energy calculators for speed and weight.I asumed more weight more energy but losing velocity to weight loses peak KE after a sertain point like all things there is a fine ballance.but ke is not everything heavier projectiles are more consistent especially at distance and I'n rain and wind

Trajectory is another factor .more weight more drop more pins to a distance.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

You can find kinetic energy calculators for speed and weight.I asumed more weight more energy but losing velocity to weight loses peak KE after a sertain point like all things there is a fine ballance.but ke is not everything heavier projectiles are more consistent especially at distance and I'n rain and wind

With my old bear species, I like 150 grain heads instead of 200 grain, with my same set up staying the same. The bows riser and cam system lost a lot of steam once you got over 600 or 615 grain. My Hoyt RX 5 well that thing is fast and I believe I could go to the 315 grain heads and still be over 200 FPS because of the bows efficiency but the 200 grain broadheads I use now are the “happy median” for my draw length, speed, arrow weight and bow. Even on days with a strong north east wind the arrows seem to fly very straight up to 40 yards and I use the smallest feathers I can get from the bow shop. They are like 2.75” short rise feathers and I always have them applied right helical. I do know that each bow is different, so instead of tuning a bow to the arrow, I started tuning the arrows to my bow.

 

[1simplemann]

Alien Archery V2 Broadheads. I have them, set of 6.

Similar to Sawtooth A2, but steeper bevel angle, maybe thicker?, and the A2 have the ferrule machined to "assist rotation" which is kind of neat.

I looked it up. Kayuga Gen 2 Pilot. If I was in the market for a good BH, this one would be on the list to look at.

 

[krub6b]

You can find kinetic energy calculators for speed and weight.I asumed more weight more energy but losing velocity to weight loses peak KE after a sertain point like all things there is a fine ballance.but ke is not everything heavier projectiles are more consistent especially at distance and I'n rain and wind

DIY Sportsman has youtube video covering that balancing act for those who are looking for a good middle-ground starting point.

 

[_Dario]

This was certainly not a large deer but I found the results interesting so I will share. This past fall shooting 615 grains total (I think like 19% FOC if I remember correctly). Never chrono'd the arrow but I am pulling ~65lb at 27" DL. G5 Montec broadhead.

The deer was more quartering away then I realized when I took the shot. It absolutely demolished the shoulder and front rib area. The shaft broke in half so I found the front half at point of impact and did not find the back half until dressing the deer. In my limited experience I think a mechanical would have been more inclined to deflect on a shot like this.

This year I bought a bow press and went further down the rabbit hole so I yoke tuned my bow for a 550 grain arrow and am already set up for this season. Admittedly I was overspined last year so I was definitely out of center shot. I preordered the Iron Will single bevel with bleeders for this year and I am really excited to shoot them.

 

[zurr4013]

Ranch Fairy put out a video the other night and his numbers seemed lower than they used to be. I heard he is doing more testing on North American game to see if there are modern numbers for compound bow. Spoiler alert: he talked in the video about being 550 or above and 16% FOC. I wouldn’t be surprise if that is the new 650 19% numbers.

 

[BCHunter]

Ranch Fairy put out a video the other night and his numbers seemed lower than they used to be. I heard he is doing more testing on North American game to see if there are modern numbers for compound bow. Spoiler alert: he talked in the video about being 550 or above and 16% FOC. I wouldn’t be surprise if that is the new 650 19% numbers.

Not surprising since ashby was based off of stick bows and large animals.

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[Weldabeast]

Not surprising since ashby was based off of stick bows and large animals.

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Not entirely correct....according to Ashby the africa testing started on small animals like warthog and impala and as the arrows became more efficient killers the game size increased to continue test lethality...
Excitedly waiting on Ashby bowhunting foundation videos of the technical side of the continued research

 

[1simplemann]

Back when I was using montec g 5’s or whatever they were called and aluminum inserts, my total arrow weight was around 440 grains. I shot a massive hog at 17 yards, it hit the shield and the arrow stopped 8 inches into him. He ran off and I tracked his blood trail for an hour and a half found the broken part of the arrow sticking out of him (which is how I know how deep it went). I went all the way home got my blue tick went back out and never did track down that hog. It was on that day I swore off light arrows and began researching all things Ashby related. Don’t get me wrong, I am not an extremist like the Ranch Fairy, but I do know the value of a sharp single bevel and a high FOC...
That Ranch Fairy dude shoots 700 plus grains which is wild, but I simply cannot argue with success.

It's moments like this that lead to an " ah Ha" moment and we look for answers. Mine was a double moment. I shoulder bladed a legitimate 22" inside spread 8 pt. 4-5" penetration at the most. Earlier in the year I called in a beautiful 300" 6 pt bull for a buddy. The shot looked good but no penetration. I found the arrow on both animals. In both cases if there had been full penetration I believe those animals would have been recovered. I did my research, disregarded what I "thought" I knew about archery, followed Ashby's advice and I haven't looked back since. Pass thru's on every animal since. I'm happy with results. Dead critter's!

 

[slonstdy]

I've got a heavy bone busting "tail" for you...

The short version is I used the wrong pin on a 140# doe and hit her an inch in front of her tail right on her spine. The arrow broke through the pelvic bone severing three quarters of the spine and came out through the 6th and 7th ribs, both broken.
That was with a 125 grain grizzlystik samarai single bevel with a 640 grain taw/17.5% foc chronographed at 215fps from Switchback at 60#'s on a 25 - 27 yard shot.

 

[Jimmy Wallhanger]

520 gr TAW

125 Grain Iron will Single Bevel with bleeders
Black eagle Rampage with 51 grain SS insert with 50 grain screw in weight.
17% FOC.
265 fps with 81 lb of FE and .61 slug feet per second

Absolutley destroy any bone and pass through both shoulders with ease.

After I had a 400 grain arrow literally stick in the chest of a booner and I watched him run away while my luminok danced in the dusk I vowed to never again have a penetrion or recovery issue.

I bought a blood tracking dog and fixed my arrow set up.

Have recovered every deer since that time in 2016. Still have vision of that buck running away, was teh perfect shot just zero penetration..... he was a monster.