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Heavy arrow build

I'd never base broadhead selection on "I can get it from wal-mart!!!!!" If I'm traveling to hunt, I will have an ample supply of fully set up arrows with broadheads plus a spare bow with arrows, and spare strings. Come on G2. I've seen your videos. You got 1000's of dollars of gear you bring hunting. Whats 10 spare packs of broadheads? Are you going on out of state stump shooting hunts! LMAO!!!!
 
I'd never base broadhead selection on "I can get it from wal-mart!!!!!" If I'm traveling to hunt, I will have an ample supply of fully set up arrows with broadheads plus a spare bow with arrows, and spare strings. Come on G2. I've seen your videos. You got 1000's of dollars of gear you bring hunting. Whats 10 spare packs of broadheads? Are you going on out of state stump shooting hunts! LMAO!!!!
Yes. The stumps in Iowa are waaaaaaay bigger than the stumps in Georgia. Everybody knows that.

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I'd never base broadhead selection on "I can get it from wal-mart!!!!!" If I'm traveling to hunt, I will have an ample supply of fully set up arrows with broadheads plus a spare bow with arrows, and spare strings. Come on G2. I've seen your videos. You got 1000's of dollars of gear you bring hunting. Whats 10 spare packs of broadheads? Are you going on out of state stump shooting hunts! LMAO!!!!
And you can usually buy slick tricks at wally world. That's my ravorite replaceable blade broadhead.

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I haven't seen it mentioned yet so here goes. When I did my arroes a couple years ago I went with 340 spine at 27 inches and according to a spine calculator I'm on the stiff side of optimum. I'm at 200 grains up front and 65#. I think you should do like the ranch fairy says and try tuning out a 340 spine first. You'll only lose a few grains in the shaft and gain FOC. Might be worth the trade off. Especially if you can adjust the insert weight some to hold onto the 125gr heads you want. I think if you can get around that 19% foc and only lose 35-40 grains.
As part of the fiddle factor of building heavier with a higher FoC I think it's not unreasonable to start with a shaft that has a lower gpi rating like a 340 before going to a stiffer spine and heavier gpi, especially if your just adding a little weight. Might not even have to remove old inserts if you just add a footer, and then a heavier point. The main consideration is the arrow oscillation at impact. The stiffer shaft helps to reduce that penetration robbing factor, and with the heavier up front components available, FoC for either arrow isn't a problem.
 
I have been shooting Easton Hexx with 75 grain inserts 100 gr tips. They fly phenomenal weigh in at 434 grains. Never had an issue with penetration. Sometimes they stick further in the dirt than others... they are however a pain to pull out of my targets.

This year I decided to go back to FMJs for my hunting arrows. I am going to run the same tip setup 75 insert, 100 gr tip I am adding a footer since HITs are not my most favorite of insert options. They should clock in around 550 grains and come out of targets way easier. I might be losing a little FOC but it’s not going to make a damn bit of difference.

I also have become a bit OCD on getting my broadheads as sharp as humanly possible and stick to double bevel heads.
 
For the hot melt folks... (@T.Clarke, @flinginairos) What brand are we looking for and what's the process? Is it like hot glue?
I'm using the bohning coolflex. It's a stick. you heat the component gently with a torch and wave the stick in front of the torch to just soften it. Add an appropriate amount and seat the insert, with a least a full turn to the insert to help evenly spread the glue, and wipe away the excess. Remove your nocks first so you don't create air pressure in the shaft that could unseat the insert. Great arrow building videos on line.
 
I have been using AAE 2 part epoxy for the inserts for many years. Only problem with it is once they are in.... they are in. They are never coming out.
 
One thing to take into consideration. You can have the perfect arrow set up, arrow hitting with nock perfectly in line with the broadhead, perfect stiffness, perfect FOC for shooting in your yard not under pressure. If you get shaken up when shooting at a deer and your form and release isn't the same as when you tuned your arrow in the backyard, you torque the bow on release, or try to peek around your bow to watch the deer before the arrow left the bow, the arrow flying at the deer is no longer tuned. You have to realize that it's not a fair comparison of your results on an animal vs what you accomplished in the backyard. So don't get discouraged if you still get bad results on game. It's not the set up. You did all you can do on that end. It's you. You changed! Or the game moved. Or both.
Maybe a more forgiving arrow set up is in order. I know the heavy arrow, FOC builds is the cool thing right now. I'm all for it. Been doing it for years with a tradbow. Compound shooters are just coming off the speed kick. You might have to sacrifice a little weight on the back end to have longer feathers so that it corrects our flaws on pressured shots and gets that arrow to straighten out sooner. Lots of archery gear was derived from target shooters. Hunting isn't target shooting. Don't get tunnel vision, think outside the latest how too youtube video, test on your own, reflect on your past experiences, make an arrow thats best for you!
 
That’s the whole idea behind heavy arrows, to allow the best chance for success on a bad hit, a shaky release, non backyard dot shooting situations. They’re simply more forgiving and bad shots have a better chance for producing desired results. Arrows behave as expected.
Everything you caution about heavy arrows is applicable to standard lighter arrows.


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One thing to take into consideration. You can have the perfect arrow set up, arrow hitting with nock perfectly in line with the broadhead, perfect stiffness, perfect FOC for shooting in your yard not under pressure. If you get shaken up when shooting at a deer and your form and release isn't the same as when you tuned your arrow in the backyard, you torque the bow on release, or try to peek around your bow to watch the deer before the arrow left the bow, the arrow flying at the deer is no longer tuned. You have to realize that it's not a fair comparison of your results on an animal vs what you accomplished in the backyard. So don't get discouraged if you still get bad results on game. It's not the set up. You did all you can do on that end. It's you. You changed! Or the game moved. Or both.
I gently offer that it sounds like you may have just made the point Ranch Fairy preaches; imperfect hit with great momentum. :)
 
That’s the whole idea behind heavy arrows, to allow the best chance for success on a bad hit, a shaky release, non backyard dot shooting situations. They’re simply more forgiving and bad shots have a better chance for producing desired results. Arrows behave as expected.
Everything you caution about heavy arrows is applicable to standard lighter arrows.


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I agree. I wasn't saying heavy arrows wasn't more forgiving by any means. There are just some heavy arrows that are more forgiving than other heavy arrows.
 
I agree. I wasn't saying heavy arrows wasn't more forgiving by any means. There are just some heavy arrows that are more forgiving than other heavy arrows.

Forgiveness has less to do with arrow weight and more to do with dynamic spine, which is where I think most archers go wrong. They make rebar or turn an arrow into a noodle with a anvil on the front without consideration for dynamic spine and the arrow becomes much less forgiving out of their setup. You can still make heavy arrows with good dynamic spine for your setup.
 
Just start with a .260 Axis or any other shaft in that range and most of us won’t have to worry about a weak arrow. I know most probably already know that tuning a stiff arrow with a compound is not a problem.


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Started paper tuning today. I ran both my 250 spine, and 300 spine shaft through the Ethics Archery field point test pack.

PSE Decree HD at 70lbs with a 27“ draw
Black eagle Carnivore arrows with standard insert and nock.

The “grains” listed below is field point weight, not arrow weight.

300 spine shot nock-low throughout the entire weight range. The 250 spine started out shooting nock slightly high and right, but centered nicely at the 300gr field point.

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Ranch Fairy’s recommendation is to nock tune the 250 shaft with the 300gr tip and see if I can get it shooting completely clean punches.

I have an insert weight kit coming on Thursday, and will continue going up the weight scale and see what my bow likes and doesn’t like up to probably 400gr in the front. At this point, it looks like the 250 spine will end up being my go-to, probably with 300gr total up front weight... unless a higher weight shoots better once the weight kit arrives. If that’s what I go with, that would put me at 612.3 grains total arrow weight with 21.7% FOC. A fair bit different than my 447.5 grain total arrow weight I’m shooting now.


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Just start with a .260 Axis or any other shaft in that range and most of us won’t have to worry about a weak arrow. I know most probably already know that tuning a stiff arrow with a compound is not a problem.


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That's the number one issue when people go heavy there arrow is to weak. When I build an arrow I always go stiff for 2 reasons. I always seem to want to go heavier once I start building and stiff is more forgiving and always seems to tune better for me. My arrows seem to tell me what it wants up front and in the past it has always been about 25 grains heaver then what I thought I wanted. I will never argue with my arrow when it tells it wants more FOC and more weight.
 
That's the number one issue when people go heavy there arrow is to weak. When I build an arrow I always go stiff for 2 reasons. I always seem to want to go heavier once I start building and stiff is more forgiving and always seems to tune better for me. My arrows seem to tell me what it wants up front and in the past it has always been about 25 grains heaver then what I thought I wanted. I will never argue with my arrow when it tells it wants more FOC and more weight.

I’ve never won an argument with an arrow.


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