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I think safety is being taken too seriously in this community

Flint said:
I guess I was brought up different! I think about the first idiot to ever shoot a gun. Or first crazy fool to drive a horseless carriage, fly a plane, the space shuttle! My family thinks I'm crazy for what I've done in my life so far, but if not for the craziest of us who would we all be? My first thought of a saddle was "dam fools are hanging off of a tree on a half inch rope and a piece of material?" If not for my quest to understand you-all I wouldn't be here! The craziest people are usually the smartest if you take the time to figure them out. No different than the stock market. No risk, no reward!
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There's pretty clear upside to things like inventing firearms, cars, planes. The space-shuttle was honestly kind of a failure except as a publicity tool. It did a LOT to kill the US space industry. It was a step too far that we took, ended up short, and sunk untold resources making it worth. That was all great until all of the brains of the industry aged-out, retired, and/or died. We ceased innovating for decades (and abandoned the knowledge base needed to innovate).

But enough about the shuttle.

There's not the upside to free-climbing El Capitan. Lots of other, easier ways up. No technical knowledge gained. Just a dude getting his own personal success for his own personal reasons, and taking a big risk of death in doing so.

There's no reward here, except the adrenaline rush, ego, etc. No comparison to the clear technical advances you list (except the shuttle).
 
mattsteg said:
There's pretty clear upside to things like inventing firearms, cars, planes. The space-shuttle was honestly kind of a failure except as a publicity tool. It did a LOT to kill the US space industry. It was a step too far that we took, ended up short, and sunk untold resources making it worth. That was all great until all of the brains of the industry aged-out, retired, and/or died. We ceased innovating for decades (and abandoned the knowledge base needed to innovate).

But enough about the shuttle.

There's not the upside to free-climbing El Capitan. Lots of other, easier ways up. No technical knowledge gained. Just a dude getting his own personal success for his own personal reasons, and taking a big risk of death in doing so.

There's no reward here, except the adrenaline rush, ego, etc. No comparison to the clear technical advances you list (except the shuttle).
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Lik
mattsteg said:
There's pretty clear upside to things like inventing firearms, cars, planes. The space-shuttle was honestly kind of a failure except as a publicity tool. It did a LOT to kill the US space industry. It was a step too far that we took, ended up short, and sunk untold resources making it worth. That was all great until all of the brains of the industry aged-out, retired, and/or died. We ceased innovating for decades (and abandoned the knowledge base needed to innovate).

But enough about the shuttle.

There's not the upside to free-climbing El Capitan. Lots of other, easier ways up. No technical knowledge gained. Just a dude getting his own personal success for his own personal reasons, and taking a big risk of death in doing so.

There's no reward here, except the adrenaline rush, ego, etc. No comparison to the clear technical advances you list (except the shuttle).
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Like I said, brought up different. The human body is an amazing thing! To have the mindset to control your own judgement is something I've had to work on a few times. He is simply crazy for doing this, but I respect him fully and understand the mindset it takes to turn off your "safety voice" and accomplish the goal you know is accomplishable. Tec is cool but what I'm talking about is the ones willing to die to prove there theory. Safety comes because of THESE people!
 
Flint said:
Lik

Like I said, brought up different. The human body is an amazing thing! To have the mindset to control your own judgement is something I've had to work on a few times. He is simply crazy for doing this, but I respect him fully and understand the mindset it takes to turn off your "safety voice" and accomplish the goal you know is accomplishable. Tec is cool but what I'm talking about is the ones willing to die to prove there theory. Safety comes because of THESE people!
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Meh.

Risking life for personal goals/glory vs. having a clearly valuable advancement on the line are 2 different things. Give better examples.

The dude with the gun? Wanted to kill something or defend against sonething.
Cars? Not even dangerous, but businessmen.
Planes? Businessmen.
Shuttle? Patriotism.

All these guys had compelling exterior motivations. Big difference here.

And there's no theory being proven. We've known it possible to climb el capitan for a long time. The only question was if someone would be foolish enough to go without a safety net and lucky enough to make it.
 
Without folks climbing Yosemite the planeload of pot wouldn’t have been found. Climbers have a purpose. Cut em some slack.
 
My guess is he will wind up like that bear yuppie in Alaska.... being killed by the thing he loved. calculated risks are acceptable. throwing out all safety not so much.
 
I liked the movie incredible achievement. But crazy still not the risks I would ever take


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What an amazing obstacle to conquer, but even with all the necessary safety precautions I would rate this extremely dangerous. I’ve never understood the need to take something that’s all ready pretty risky and remove all safety completely. For me it’s in the same category as those people that free swim with great whites. Credit must be given for the courage to do this, but hell no, not for me!
 
No doubt he is crazy but if there weren’t people like him no body would climb Everest

He is likely the greatest and craziest rock climber in history.



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T.Clarke said:
Anybody else’s palms get sweaty just watching this?

I’m just surprised they can hide his wheelbarrow from the camera, you know the one with his cojones in it lol


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Uhg. I was literally furiously kneading my hands and figeting the entire time watching this movie. I don't think i'd make it through another sit.
 
T.Clarke said:
Anybody else’s palms get sweaty just watching this?
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Watched the movie last night. Had to towel off my hands a few times.

https://www.climbing.com/videos/alex-honnold-climbs-freerider-boulder-problem-in-the-gym/

The part they didn't show so much, on those really difficult spots, I'm sure Alex practiced many times. Doesn't take away from anything. But it's easy to watch the movie and think he's crazy. No, he just practiced some things so many times he got good at them.
 
As a kid I often would find a hill and climb the tallest tree. The view was spectacular; but sometimes I did it because I was lost and not sure which way to walk back home. My parents bought me a compass because of that, and my climbing was greatly reduced.
 
sureshotscott said:
Watched the movie last night. Had to towel off my hands a few times.

https://www.climbing.com/videos/alex-honnold-climbs-freerider-boulder-problem-in-the-gym/

The part they didn't show so much, on those really difficult spots, I'm sure Alex practiced many times. Doesn't take away from anything. But it's easy to watch the movie and think he's crazy. No, he just practiced some things so many times he got good at them.
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Yes, he practiced the tough spots time and time again. He still fell frequently in his practicing. I wouldn't try to argue what he is doing is a good idea, or smart - as other have suggested, it will just end up eventually being a 911 call.

I can however respect the courage of the guy, and I loved the photography. The movie is really worth watching - and yes I had to towel off as well...
 
Alex Honnold is a beast. The man literally has an un-measurable grip. He honestly has more strength in his fingers than most people do in whole arms, or even legs. I have been following his career since he was a novice, and he has just simply defied what people though was possible at every step of the way. Unfortunately, he WILL die on a wall at some point. He lives his life on the very edge, and at some point it will finally cut him. His recent injuries are a testament to how far he has pushed his body to the limit of human capabilities. Continuous performance at peak level leads to injury. There is no question.


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Nutterbuster said:
That cat's crazier than a squirrel in a metal trash can.
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My new favorite phrase. I do believe I will work into my announcements on the plane in the next few weeks. Maybe it can go along with the cleared for departure announcement that follows the pilot’s “Takeoff is eminent” ding/dong chime.... “that ding dong DOES NOT mean the wicked witch is dead, I assure you my EX is alive and well, and living in Texas”


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