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kyler1945 said:
I like watching the intersection of people used to the price of gear purchased at walmart and academy, and the cost of ultra light gear.
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What good is ultralight if you hike 5 miles to a remote swamp or a pinch point in a logging cut and the tree you need to get into has branches? You’ve just hauled a $1000 ultralight climbing platform all that way for nothing.
 
That's true. If you don't have climber friendly trees, I wouldn't even give it a look.
 
Jammintree said:
If I was starting from scratch and building a complete climbing kit from the ground up - I might consider spending that much - but it’s still a lot for a single component (and one that only works well in certain types of trees.) if I had an extra $1000 there’s better uses for my money. I’ve already got more than enough safe ways to get up a tree.
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You’re telling me more about you than why 1k is categorically way too much for the product.
 
Plebe said:
You’re telling me more about you than why 1k is categorically way too much for the product.
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Because best I can tell it fills exactly zero needs that any number of other products at half the cost or less currently fill. It solves no problems at all. Same as all these new stands and platforms, no functional innovation that solves any existing issues that could be solved if a mfg was willing to do something new rather than putting a different shade of lipstick on the pig.
 
Jammintree said:
What good is ultralight if you hike 5 miles to a remote swamp or a pinch point in a logging cut and the tree you need to get into has branches? You’ve just hauled a $1000 ultralight climbing platform all that way for nothing.
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I'm not taking sides with the company, people who will use the thing, or anyone really.

I'm just pointing out the mismatch of expectations and that it is interesting to witness.

But since we're here - my assumption is that the same end result is achieved by having a 30lb climber that sticks outside and above your frame - you never get 5 miles to a remote swamp or pinch point, so in both cases you don't climb a tree in said pinch point.

Not sure what this has to do with people conditioned to crazy low pricing on most hunting goods, getting exposed to the world of ultra light gear?
 
BTaylor said:
Because best I can tell it fills exactly zero needs that any number of other products at half the cost or less currently fill. It solves no problems at all. Same as all these new stands and platforms, no functional innovation that solves any existing issues that could be solved if a mfg was willing to do something new rather than putting a different shade of lipstick on the pig.
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If I had money to blow I’d get this knowing that I’m buying arguably the coolest looking, lightweight, made in the USA climber that should last a life time and a half.
 
BTaylor said:
Because best I can tell it fills exactly zero needs that any number of other products at half the cost or less currently fill. It solves no problems at all. Same as all these new stands and platforms, no functional innovation that solves any existing issues that could be solved if a mfg was willing to do something new rather than putting a different shade of lipstick on the pig.
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We can argue that climbers don’t make sense as a hunting tool, but that’s a different argument.

For those whom they do make sense, this is the lightest, least bulky climber that I’ve ever been aware of.

The competitors in lightweightness would be the discontinued X-stand mini X-1 and the TimberTall Baby Brute Light. If those were my options, it’s not close to which climber I’d want.

If we had an information vacuum, it would be cool to get a bunch of hunters unaware of price together and see which climber they’d pick. That would tell an interesting story.
 
Plebe said:
We can argue that climbers don’t make sense as a hunting tool, but that’s a different argument.

For those whom they do make sense, this is the lightest, least bulky climber that I’ve ever been aware of.

The competitors in lightweightness would be the discontinued X-stand mini X-1 and the TimberTall Baby Brute Light. If those were my options, it’s not close to which climber I’d want.

If we had an information vacuum, it would be cool to get a bunch of hunters unaware of price together and see which climber they’d pick. That would tell an interesting story.
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I view light weight and less bulk as convenience, not a problem solved. That's putting Cragars on your 69 Camaro. ;)
 
Plebe said:
?? What else is there, lol.
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A Baker stand, a summit, an API, etc. will all get you up the same tree, the same way. What function was gained to justify the absurdly higher price? You will get no argument from me that it is, like most of their gear, extremely well designed and it is light. Ounces make pounds and pounds make pain but is the weight difference enough to justify what a 4x increase in cost? Esp for a limited application stand.
 
Summit made a climber years ago called the bullet and broadhead backpacker stands. They folded completely flat. I had one until it got stolen… it was a good compact climber that wasn’t anywhere close to 1k.


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