New Tribe Evolution...Improvent suggestions thread

[Stykbow1]

Red is there a big difference between the Ropeman 1 and the Kong Duck I know they are both ascenders but the Kong Duck looks a lot different than the Ropeman 1.

Thanks,

Roger

The design is a little different and the duck states that it works with webbing up to 15mm.

Since you have both any advantage to one over the other just in case someone asked and was thinking of getting one or the other.

Thanks,

Roger

 

[d_rek]

I have a ropeman 1 that should be arriving this week. I'm more excited to be able to have more control over the length of my treestrap hookup than anything else. Also an easier adjustment is going to be welcome, even though since retying my blakes hitch it's way more easier to adjust but still requires two hands.

I have a question about a blakes hitch vs a prusik knot for the treestrap. Was there a reason new tribe moved away from a prusik knot? it seems like you could considerably shorten the length of the prusik cord hookup, but i'm not sure there is a difference as I have no experience with it. My blakes hitch stretches to well over 8+ which becomes somewhat of a liability in terms of adjustment as I am constrained by the length of the cord.

 

[redsquirrel]

Since you have both any advantage to one over the other just in case someone asked and was thinking of getting one or the other.

Thanks,

Roger

The duck has more black and the shiny parts aren't as shiny and it states that it works on webbing. They are both good though. I currently have the ropeman on my lineman belt and duck on my tree roepe.

 

[Stykbow1]

I have a ropeman 1 that should be arriving this week. I'm more excited to be able to have more control over the length of my treestrap hookup than anything else. Also an easier adjustment is going to be welcome, even though since retying my blakes hitch it's way more easier to adjust but still requires two hands.

I have a question about a blakes hitch vs a prusik knot for the treestrap. Was there a reason new tribe moved away from a prusik knot? it seems like you could considerably shorten the length of the prusik cord hookup, but i'm not sure there is a difference as I have no experience with it. My blakes hitch stretches to well over 8+ which becomes somewhat of a liability in terms of adjustment as I am constrained by the length of the cord.

d_rek I'm not sure why they use a Blake's hitch over a Prusik knot maybe strength or the fact that for those applications they felt it worked better and was safer if I had to guess. I have a Ropeman 1 on both my lineman's belt and my tree rope and they work great. I feel the slight increase in weight is well worth the ease of adjustability they offer. I struggled with the Blake's hitch especially with the lineman's rope but now it is a breeze to adjust even one handed. I think you will really like it.

Good Hunting,

Roger

PS Let us know what you think after you have a chance to use it.

 

[essdub]

Re: RE: Re: New Tribe Evolution...Improvent suggestions thread

So what do you prefer webbing or rope? Does it vary on linemans belt, bridge or tree strap?

I prefer the rope, no need to worry about twist with the rope, rope is more bulky than webbing. Twist in webbing just makes me mad, reason I went to muddy rope sticks and why I like all rope on the saddles.

So what are your thoughts and why?

Thanks,
Boswell

I definitely prefer rope. I like the idea of webbing, but I always just get tangled. Of course, I rarely leave good enough alone, so I'm constantly changing, modifying, or otherwise rendering perfectly good equipment useless.
With that said, I still certainly still prefer rope as my lineman belt, bridge, and tree strap. But I have recently stopped using rope for climbing (except in a few trees where I have ready access - because of noise with the ascenders) and gone back to rope steps and muddy sticks. Especially if I'm not in a "saddle"and am using a modified safety harness with butt straps/seat and bridge made from rope. With that setup I use the same three point lineman belt as all three to reduce the amount of stuff I need to carry. In my opinion, the steps, the lineman belt, my pack and bow/rifle are more than enough to fill both hands on my way in and out of the woods

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[redsquirrel]

Red - if this is true (Kong Duck) then a 12-18mm 120 cm nylon sling may very well become my tree rope. Just loop it around the tree, thread it through itself and you now have a sling instead of a rope. Advantages - compact, easy to store, stronger, easier to move around tree and lighter. My wheels are already turning on using a sling for both lineman's belt and tree rope - going to be busy this off season for sure.

Sorry Dave, I responded to this this morning but I guess the post never went through.

I had the exact same thought as you, that is why I bought the duck. I have a 240 cm dyneema runner at home. I tried it out and man is the system light and compact. When I tried it I left my rope strap hooked up and just slightly loose so I could safely make sure it worked. Now that being said, I haven't been willing to integrate it into my system yet. I did some research on these nylon runners and the problem with them is there is no protection on the outside like a climbing rope so they are prone to getting nicked up, and then when they fail they fail. A small area of damage could be really hard to spot. I can't justify saving a few ounces on the most important thing between my saddle and the tree. I'm still looking into other options to make something like this work, and if anyone has any ideas or thoughts please share.

 

[Stykbow1]

Red - if this is true (Kong Duck) then a 12-18mm 120 cm nylon sling may very well become my tree rope. Just loop it around the tree, thread it through itself and you now have a sling instead of a rope. Advantages - compact, easy to store, stronger, easier to move around tree and lighter. My wheels are already turning on using a sling for both lineman's belt and tree rope - going to be busy this off season for sure.

Sorry Dave, I responded to this this morning but I guess the post never went through.

I had the exact same thought as you, that is why I bought the duck. I have a 240 cm dyneema runner at home. I tried it out and man is the system light and compact. When I tried it I left my rope strap hooked up and just slightly loose so I could safely make sure it worked. Now that being said, I haven't been willing to integrate it into my system yet. I did some research on these nylon runners and the problem with them is there is no protection on the outside like a climbing rope so they are prone to getting nicked up, and then when they fail they fail. A small area of damage could be really hard to spot. I can't justify saving a few ounces on the most important thing between my saddle and the tree. I'm still looking into other options to make something like this work, and if anyone has any ideas or thoughts please share.

Thanks Scott that is good to know and I agree with you that taking chances with what ties you in while your 20 plus feet in the air is not a good idea. So far I have had zero issues with the ropes and the Ropeman 1 so for now I'm happy with my current setup for hunting.

Thanks,

Roger

PS How is baby Redsquirrel & mom doing?

 

[swampsnyper]

Do arborist a harnesses / tree saddles need to be TMA certified?

There is a very long and complicated answer to this question but I will give you the the short easy answer. TMA has no "certification" for saddles and the way they were designed to be used. Trophyline was TMA "certified" as a fall restraint aka safety harness not as a saddle.

Thanks,
Boswell

Some public land rules require stands and harnesses be TMA approved. Wouldn't hurt to have that stamped on there.

 

[Stykbow1]

Do arborist a harnesses / tree saddles need to be TMA certified?

There is a very long and complicated answer to this question but I will give you the the short easy answer. TMA has no "certification" for saddles and the way they were designed to be used. Trophyline was TMA "certified" as a fall restraint aka safety harness not as a saddle.

Thanks,
Boswell

Some public land rules require stands and harnesses be TMA approved. Wouldn't hurt to have that stamped on there.

That's true my buddy is doing a local park hunt and your supposed to have a commercial tree stand and safety harness that are TMA certified if your going to hunt the park.

Thanks,

Roger

 

[putt4doe]

2) Use a Camo pattern that works well in the trees. Something with a more open pattern (Predator), the pattern they use now is too dark in my opinion.


If the camo license is too much, I think an earthy solid color would work on the fabric part. Then you could make the straps another Earthy Color.
Maybe beige fabric and olive green straps or some other Earthy combos......

This ^^^

The camo they are using is definitely too dark. If they did a light beige or tan with brown/green/black straps it would basically be ASAT - and we all know how well that works!!

 

[putt4doe]

So what do you prefer webbing or rope? Does it vary on linemans belt, bridge or tree strap?

I prefer the rope, no need to worry about twist with the rope, rope is more bulky than webbing. Twist in webbing just makes me mad, reason I went to muddy rope sticks and why I like all rope on the saddles.

So what are your thoughts and why?

Thanks,
Boswell

Rope. It doesn't twist therefore changing the length of it. However, for adjustability I think it's much easier to have webbing run through quick adjustment buck lest.

Id love a quick attachment buckle on the leg straps. I hate putting the saddle on with muddy boots.

 

[Pack mule]

Hi, first time poster here. I just ordered the aero evolution. Have not even seen it yet other than pictures. I always try and see the weakest link and try and make it safer. When looking at the picture the first thing that catches my eye is the single strand of smaller diameter rope on the Blakes hitch connecting the tree strap to the locking carabiner. One way of making that safer would be to tie a loop in the end of the tree strap instead of a stopper knot. Then run the locking carabiner through the loop on the tree strap in the event the Blakes hitch connection should ever fail you would still have a total connection from tree strap to carabiner to the rope bridge. This would not limit adjustability of the tree strap length in any way and may also keep the tail up and out of the way for less interference during a shot.

 

[boone0]

I would also love a quick disconnect strap!

 

[swampsnyper]

I would also love a quick disconnect strap!

Hunted in the rain/mud last weekend. Sucked bad. Definitely an area needed for an upgrade.

 

[Boudreaux]

Some public land rules require stands and harnesses be TMA approved. Wouldn't hurt to have that stamped on there.

Wow, I have never herd of such thing! With the TMA standards (TMA doesn't test anything) they don't have any standards to test saddles. So they test them like safety harness, which requires the dreaded should straps. Which is something we don't want, we want them to recognize saddle hunt as a method of hunting. That is very interesting about requiring TMA ....

I would also love a quick disconnect strap!

Noted!

Thanks,
Boswell

 

[ADKMtnTrapper]

I would like to see an option to upgrade to a spliced loop instead of a figure 8 loop for the tree tether. Also maybe revise the blakes hitch so it would be easier to operate one handed.

 

[JWS]

Maybe make the tether/linesman rope or the prussic cord on each a different color for quick id/safety. I keep them both in the same pouch next to where the belt hooks up and hooked up the tether thinking it was the belt one morning. Caught it before I leaned back thankfully.

 

[redsquirrel]

Some public land rules require stands and harnesses be TMA approved. Wouldn't hurt to have that stamped on there.

Wow, I have never herd of such thing! With the TMA standards (TMA doesn't test anything) they don't have any standards to test saddles. So they test them like safety harness, which requires the dreaded should straps. Which is something we don't want, we want them to recognize saddle hunt as a method of hunting. That is very interesting about requiring TMA ....

I would also love a quick disconnect strap!

Noted!

Thanks,
Boswell

I haven't heard of the TMA requirement but I do hunt somewhere that requires "commercially manufactured" stands and climbing methods.

 

[essdub]

Other than the quick disconnect strap on the legs, it would be great to get rid of some of the bulk and weight in the waist/lower back belt portion. Get rid of the rigging plates in favor of loops of some sort. Of course the colors could be an option too

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[putt4doe]

I hunt around 150 days a year - and I'd say about 95% of those hunts are from my saddle.

I am a tinkerer by nature and always make changes to my equipment that make it perform better (in my mind)

The only things I can think to change on the current evolution would be the addition of quick disconnect buckles on the leg straps, and a more open camo pattern on the saddle. I'd even settle for earth tone options.

The current evolution is awesome - New Tribe has done a fantastic job working with everyone to make the best product possible. Excited to see what the next one will bring.