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bowhuntr09 said:
Just my opinion, conspiracy theory or what have you, but I think the mental health system is broken on purpose. I think certain facets of our society are allowing things like this to happen as ammunition against the 2nd amendment. How many times have you heard cases like this where the threats were made, the person was known to be a danger yet still allowed to carry out these acts.
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This is what apparently happened in this case.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Or maybe it's because psychology and neuroscience are infant disciplines. 80 years ago they lobotomized 23yo Rosemary Kennedy, member of one of the world's most influential families, because she was "increasingly difficult and irritable." Fast forward to today, and my cousin finally learned that her panic attacks were a medically treatable issue, and not demonic possession. The system isn't "broken" so much as it is "under construction."

As far as warning signs being ignored, how does the idea of just jailing everybody who could be a threat sit with you? There are countries with systems that work that way. There used to be more. We moved away from that for a reason. Democracy is also "under construction."

I was talking last night with a sportsman and conservation leader who told me that the biggest threat to today's sportsman is today's sportsman, who increasingly alienates himself from people in the middle of the pro/anti hunting spectrum. If we're giving out opinions, I'd say mine is that posts like yours make gun owners look like conspiratorial kooks who shouldn't be taken seriously by people "in the middle."

@DroptineKrazy, take care of yourself. My experiences don't touch yours in magnitude, but I've had similar experiences with friends and family who suffered from mental issues and hurt people. It is hard to listen to ignorant people use your family as idealogical talking points and gossip. What I experienced at a local level, you're unfortunately about to experience at a national one.
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Thank you for your well wishes and prayers. That goes for every one of you on here. On one hand this has hit really close to home for me but still seems surreal. On the other hand I unfortunately feel kind of immune or conditioned if you will to this sort of thing because every time it happens, no matter where in our country it happens, it tears my heart out that we as a nation have to deal with such things. If it happens in Arizona or Florida or Alabama and now in Maine it's still my fellow brothers and sisters and fellow countrymen that have to experience a horrific event and now their lives have changed forever. God bless!
 
Boston College(among others) promulgated the Psychiatric Rehabilitation Model of care for mental illnesses back in the mid to late 1980’s early 1990’s. The well intentioned thought, at the time, was based on inhumane treatment of residents of SOME institutions. Mostly the Willowbrook State School on Staten Island. And those residents were certainly treated terribly. However that was not true of other facilities that were well ran with dedicated employees. However, it was the catalyst for the “Group Think” for the rampant deinstitutionalization of todays mentally ill. So yes, many mental illnesses can be taken care of with proper and continuous prescribed psychotropics. However, blessed are those that have the wherewithal to communicate their needs and issues with attentive caregivers present in their lives. The ad-hoc caregivers for those that would be institutionalized are now gone and many are left to their own druthers to fend. Self medication, inconsistent medication, illicit drug medication all mixed in for people that need a caring place to live and be properly medicated. What’s worse for them and for us?
 
I just read a news article that said Maine residents aren’t required to undergo a background check before purchasing a firearm. So are FFL dealers in Maine exempt from a federal background check? I was pretty sure it was a federal law?
 
thedutchtouch said:
As of about 15 min ago news is saying police have a house surrounded where they think he is. Hoping they can arrest or take him out without any officers getting hurt, and your community can begin the process of healing/recovery with him no longer a threat.
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I've been in that house many times. They exercised a search warrant there and found nothing. It is his parents home. I lived a couple of miles down the road from them for 20 years. They have mentioned a suicide note but not sure about that.
 
Ckwilli said:
I just read a news article that said Maine residents aren’t required to undergo a background check before purchasing a firearm. So are FFL dealers in Maine exempt from a federal background check? I was pretty sure it was a federal law?
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No, we have to go through a background check just like everyone else. My son used to work at D*cks behind the gun counter. He has refused to sell to many people for failed background checks. You may be confused with some info released that said we here in Maine can cc without a permit.
 
DroptineKrazy said:
No, we have to go through a background check just like everyone else. My son used to work at D*cks behind the gun counter. He has refused to sell to many people for failed background checks. You may be confused with some info released that said we here in Maine can cc without a permit.
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It was a new site called M now. I don’t see it any longer but it actually said “Main gun owners are not required to undergo a background check to purchase a firearm.”
 
Ckwilli said:
It was a new site called M now. I don’t see it any longer but it actually said “Main gun owners are not required to undergo a background check to purchase a firearm.”
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Bad info. We don't have to go through a background check to concealed carry. We do to purchase just like everyone else. It is a federal law.
 
DroptineKrazy said:
I've been in that house many times. They exercised a search warrant there and found nothing. It is his parents home. I lived a couple of miles down the road from them for 20 years. They have mentioned a suicide note but not sure about that.
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Dang. No words, but I'll try... Sorry you're so close to this. sorry if my news watching made it worse in any way. Still hopeful for a resolution that doesn't bring any more pain to you and your community.
 
Ckwilli said:
It was a new site called M now. I don’t see it any longer but it actually said “Main gun owners are not required to undergo a background check to purchase a firearm.”
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They are probably talking about universal background checks, which include, private sales, fleamarkets, any sale of a gun. The federal law only applies to FFL's.
 
thedutchtouch said:
Dang. No words, but I'll try... Sorry you're so close to this. sorry if my news watching made it worse in any way. Still hopeful for a resolution that doesn't bring any more pain to you and your community.
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Don't be sorry. Just pray for all involved. I'm sitting here typing while helicopters circle the area and am just praying my hardest that no one else,including the suspect, is hurt. There has been way too much pain already and I'm sure there's a lot more to come as more facts come out. I've already heard some heart wrenching stories on the local news.
 
The whole healthcare system is broken in this country. But I won’t get into that… well maybe a little.. if you tell your doctors office you have no insurance. They charge wayyyy less than if you do have insurance. But that’s getting off track…

My insurance will not cover counseling/psychological services. It’s 100% out pocket. The only option I would have is the eap group at work. Yea right… How messed up is that?
 
Real F'd. We have distant relatives in that area. Another right-wing nutjob, which feeds all the narratives. I agree the world needs some fixin', these people need some historical and biblical perspective to realize it has since the beginning. Our communities are broken. People act like the 21st century invented despair. The me-me-me culture is the root that needs to be girdled. Give me a break, life on earth overall is better than it has ever been. But I digress, anyone who thinks for a second this is the solution should be locked away in a nuthouse where they belong.

Rare is a day I send my kids to flipping elementary school and don't think of some horrible possibilities. It sucks that's the world we live in.
 
The whole idea behind de-institutionalization is for the community to care for our own. Like that happens. It's group homes, minimium wage jobs, same misery, different setting. Community based care is well-intentioned, but living in la-la land under present circumstances.

I personally think the nuclear family and emphasis on the individual is a completely failed social experiment, one of the worst human failures of all time that will be looked upon as such through the lens of history. Take care of your family and community, and use those word as broadly as you possibly can. That's the only way I see to fix this, and it's going to take generations if it's even possible at all.
 
Ckwilli said:
It was a new site called M now. I don’t see it any longer but it actually said “Main gun owners are not required to undergo a background check to purchase a firearm.”
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The average journalist seems to be more aware of activism than facts when it comes to guns, gun control laws, etc. Just because an editor signed off on a reporter's reporting doesn't make it factual.

I'm surprised he hasn't been caught by now. I know there's a lot of forest and hunting in Maine, and I hope that no hunters get a nasty surprise when they show up to their cabins.
 
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