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Question for Bow Junkies

Like mentioned above. Shoot a lot of bows. There are much better bows out there than just a handful. Mathew’s always gets allot of praise but compared to many other brands there draw cycle is horrible. Ss34 is an outstanding bow, the ventum is good. The 2022 elite the name escapes me is very nice. On par with the ss34. I prefer primes. Everyone that has shot any of ours has swapped even from mathews. Look at a revex, inline or nexus 4 ( we own 3 of those) we shoot for prime but not every bow fits every person. It’s very personal. My best friend just went from a decade with elite and now shoots an ss34. It’s the only bow that I would go to after prime.
 
I’m not a bow junkie, and haven’t really paid attention to what came out in 2023. I’m planning on buying used a 2023 bow in January, after all of the bow junkies buy their 2024’s. What bows really stood out in 2023? I’ve been shooting an Evolve since 18, and I love the bow. It’s just time to move on. Help me spend my money!


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I'd probably look at a Bowtech with the deadlock system. The SR350 is very well liked. I have a Revolt, but they stopped making those several years ago.
 
I'd probably stay with Mathews personally. One advantage, if you ever needed parts, they'll have them, period. Another honorable mention might be Prime. One negative is no warranty on used... Maybe see if your local shop has any "leftover" deals, as it's pretty easy to save a few hundred bucks there, and you'll have a warranty.

On the flip side, I'm the guy who buys a new bow every year and sells his used one... So maybe I shouldn't advocate against used haha!
 
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I'd probably stay with Mathews personally. One advantage, if you ever needed parts, they'll have them, period. Another honorable mention might be Prime. One negative is no warranty on used... Maybe see if your local shop has an "leftover" deals, as it's pretty easy to save a few hundred bucks there, and you'll have a warranty.
The one downfall of Mathew’s and prime is the level of ease for tuning. If it’s ease of tune elite and Bowtech hands down. Prime does have new strings every 2 years for life when you register a new bow. That is nice. I have bags of strings laying around. If Mathew’s would go away from top hats and shims they would be allot better. Still personal preference. With Mathew’s/ you have to have availability of parts. With elite bow tech just Allen wrenches.
 
The one downfall of Mathew’s and prime is the level of ease for tuning. If it’s ease of tune elite and Bowtech hands down. Prime does have new strings every 2 years for life when you register a new bow. That is nice. I have bags of strings laying around. If Mathew’s would go away from top hats and shims they would be allot better. Still personal preference. With Mathew’s/ you have to have availability of parts. With elite bow tech just Allen wrenches.

Not necessarily "ease" of tuning, but lack of requiring a bow press lol, but I'll second that. On the other hand, I can tune a Mathews by "eye" or with a tape measure, if preferred and have it perfect, or really close... I also only have needed to shift top hats on about 10% of the Mathews setups. Prime can go a little deeper, but with their tool you don't need to press to pop the cam spacers off. I used to shoot Bowtech, and I did own an Elite Enkore, of which I currently have neither haha.
 
Not necessarily "ease" of tuning, but lack of requiring a bow press lol, but I'll second that. On the other hand, I can tune a Mathews by "eye" or with a tape measure, if preferred and have it perfect, or really close... I also only have needed to shift top hats on about 10% of the Mathews setups. Prime can go a little deeper, but with their tool you don't need to press to pop the cam spacers off. I used to shoot Bowtech, and I did own an Elite Enkore, of which I currently have neither haha.
It’s all personal preference honestly. I have to do very little with ours to tune them. I will concede that top hats are usually the remedy for an inferior bow tech which would make sense why you rarely use them. I’ve never had to add in cam spacers on any prime. So I have bags of them. Multiple bow companies for different people. I do enjoy discussing bows. It’s fun thank you.
 
It’s all personal preference honestly. I have to do very little with ours to tune them. I will concede that top hats are usually the remedy for an inferior bow tech which would make sense why you rarely use them. I’ve never had to add in cam spacers on any prime. So I have bags of them. Multiple bow companies for different people. I do enjoy discussing bows. It’s fun thank you.

Top hats may also be a necessity to compensate for an individual's form (or sometimes lack of...) and/or broadhead tuning. The new cam spacer system on the Prime is fairly easy, but even on the externally adjustable bows I prefer to work with the bow vs. external adjustments lol.
 
I almost bought a new Prime for the last two years running, but shooting them back-to-back, I ended up with a V3X 29 and then currently a Phase4 29. Not counting a backup, or two lol.
 
I know where there is a new leftover Prime Inline 1 65lb. in RH black for $500 but I just can't do it lol...
We have an inline5 down here. Kid swapped to it for a target bow. Can’t walk away from the nexus 4 for hunting. Just makes life to easy
 
We have an inline5 down here. Kid swapped to it for a target bow. Can’t walk away from the nexus 4 for hunting. Just makes life to easy

Actually still running a V3 27 as my primary hunting rig, I love them short... I've had dedicated target setups too, although the last one I had was a Bowtech with a 35.5" ATA a few years ago.
 
Actually still running a V3 27 as my primary hunting rig, I love them short... I've had dedicated target setups too, although the last one I had was a Bowtech with a 35.5" ATA a few years ago.
I man. I can’t shoot a short bow. If it ain’t 34 ATA. I can’t stand it. Of course I also have a 30.5” draw so I prefer a longer bow
 
I man. I can’t shoot a short bow. If it ain’t 34 ATA. I can’t stand it. Of course I also have a 30.5” draw so I prefer a longer bow

I shoot a 29" DL on the V3, just a preference and it shoots really well for a short ATA! I won't hunt with more than a 32" ATA. Some bows I'm a 28.5" DL others I'm 29.5" DL. If I shot a thumb button or back tension, I'd be a 30"-30.5" depending on which release... I've had some shot opportunities limited by ATA in my previous days and it's made me gun shy lol. But I like to think that I can shoot the short ATA bows accurately :grin:.
 
In the quest for sales, bow companies usually have to make at least a little gain in speed. Over the years, bow companies have exploited cam designs with different draw force curves and let off. Then when there wasn't much more to extract out of cam designs, they started honing in on ATA. Shortening a bow 1 inch is 3 fps gain in speed. With all being equal, a 30" ATA bow is 30 FPS faster than a 40" bow. Bow companies have slowly shortened the bows over a 20+ year period to keep making faster bows each year to generate sales.

In fact, the parallel limb bow is a bi-product of making shorter ATA bows. You can only go down to about 34"-35" with a non-parallel bow design. The riser will be too short and there isn't enough room for the grip and sight window. To combat this issue, the parallel limb bow design was put into the works. A parallel limb bow design allows for the riser to remain long while the ATA can be shortened. The fact that a parallel bow design has opposing limb movement that cancel out each other's momentum is a bonus.

Now that bows have gotten down to the 28"-30" ATA, that avenue for performance is about exhausted. Once the bow's ATA is around the length of a hunting arrow, going any shorter isn't going to have a benefit. The bow is only as short as its longest component. The average draw length is 28" making the average arrow around 27+" plus the length of the broadhead making it around 28+". Making a bow any shorter is of no benefit.

Now bow companies have turned their attention to the brace height. It was common back when bows first started getting shorter to design the bow with a longer brace height to help keep the bow more shooter friendly. But if you can reduce the brace height 1", it gains about 10 FPS in speed. So, bow companies have been shortening the brace height of bows over the last few years until most of the hunting bows are 5.5" to 6.5" range.

The perfect bow design would be to have the valley of the grip in the center of the bow and also have the arrow nocked in the center of the bow. But unless you have hole in your hand, that isn't going to happen. Some companies, like Mathews, have went with putting the arrow in the center. This makes for a bow that is more top heavy and takes some getting use to. Some companies, in the past, have put the grip in the center of the bow. This creates a challenge for designing a tune-able bow. Most companies just split the difference with the grip a little below center and the arrow a little above center make for a great compromise.

With most bow companies now using some form of a binary cam system, this makes it easier to keeps bows shoot-able and tune-able. The binary cam system locks both cams together in a figure 8 and no matter where you pull on the string, both cams move at the same time.

Binary cams are a 2-cam design. There has only ever been either a 2 cam or 1 cam design. The "cam 1/2" is a modified single cam design. With today's bow designs, the binary, having symmetrical cams, is going to be the most utilized design going forward.

You look at Mathews new "bridge-lock" design and may think it is a "new" technology developed by Mathews. But it is just a fix to a problem they created. With the Mathes riser being overly long, they had to beef it up by bridging it wider. This wider riser created an issue. Once the rest and sight were mounted to the side of the riser, this pushed the quiver out even further making the bow cant over to the side. To fix this, the cut a hole thru the riser and eliminated the sight mounting to the side of the riser and they mounted the rest to the back of the riser. This allows for the quiver to be mounted closer to the riser improving the balance. As for having a mounting block machined into the riser, High Country Archery done that back in the mid 90's so the technology isn't new. Mathews just reinvented the wheel and with good marketing sold it to the hunters. Then they also done it with stabilizers.
 
So what y’all have posted is in-line with my thinking. My local shop is a big Bowtech store. They also have a couple of Primes so I will definitely check those out. There is also a Matthew’s, and Hoyt dealer not to far from me. I’ve never liked the looks of the Hoyt, but it maybe worth shooting one. I may just keep shooting my Evolve until the wheels fall off. On a hunting trip to Canada last week it made me fall in love with her again. It’s amazing how a week alone with your bow can rekindle a relationship lol.


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I was a Mathew’s fanboy for a solid decade then 2015 came around and I got some sense in me and went and shot every brand just to see and I quickly found out prime and elite blew everything out of the water, I switched to a prime ion that year and still have and use this as my primary compound to this day. Since 2018 I’ve gone back every year and shot all the flagship bows just window shopping and to keep up with new innovations though small and every year it’s the same, Prime and Elite blow everything out of the water. I’m sitting on my ion for now but next year I will be getting this year elite flagship the omnia they’ve outdone themselves with this one and I’ve never cared about speed (obviously, I shoot prime lol) but this new elite is even got proper speed to it. But as I say to everyone, shoot them all, and find what works for you. I bet a lot of Hoyt and Mathew’s guys would be in the same boat as me if they tried other brands, surprised.
 
So what y’all have posted is in-line with my thinking. My local shop is a big Bowtech store. They also have a couple of Primes so I will definitely check those out. There is also a Matthew’s, and Hoyt dealer not to far from me. I’ve never liked the looks of the Hoyt, but it maybe worth shooting one. I may just keep shooting my Evolve until the wheels fall off. On a hunting trip to Canada last week it made me fall in love with her again. It’s amazing how a week alone with your bow can rekindle a relationship lol.


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My advice is to buy locally from a dealer who will support what he sells you. Looks like you have some excellent dealers close by; they should all let you shoot some of their bows so you know what you like. As @BowhunterXC said, this is a highly personal choice that really depends on your own personal particulars, including your budget. I generally assume that none of the big-name manufacturers with established dealer networks are selling junk (although sometimes a lemon gets past QC) so you're left with other factors and features to balance against each other after having compared them on the range.
 
I was a Mathew’s fanboy for a solid decade then 2015 came around and I got some sense in me and went and shot every brand just to see and I quickly found out prime and elite blew everything out of the water, I switched to a prime ion that year and still have and use this as my primary compound to this day. Since 2018 I’ve gone back every year and shot all the flagship bows just window shopping and to keep up with new innovations though small and every year it’s the same, Prime and Elite blow everything out of the water. I’m sitting on my ion for now but next year I will be getting this year elite flagship the omnia they’ve outdone themselves with this one and I’ve never cared about speed (obviously, I shoot prime lol) but this new elite is even got proper speed to it. But as I say to everyone, shoot them all, and find what works for you. I bet a lot of Hoyt and Mathew’s guys would be in the same boat as me if they tried other brands, surprised.

I had some what of an opposite experience (just to show how everyone is different and you should shoot everything and see what YOU like)

I was a big hoyt guy, also shot some PSE bows,Bear, and Elite....shot the VXR from Mathews after a buddy of mine got one and was super impressed and bought it that day..love that bow!
 
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I’m not a bow junkie, and haven’t really paid attention to what came out in 2023. I’m planning on buying used a 2023 bow in January, after all of the bow junkies buy their 2024’s. What bows really stood out in 2023? I’ve been shooting an Evolve since 18, and I love the bow. It’s just time to move on. Help me spend my money!


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I really didn’t need to see this…. Same bow and I’ve been on the fence about getting a new one. Chalk up another victim to the saddle hunter.com support thread..
 
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