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Recon any new mods?

I'll chime in a couple opinions.
I have 2 of the 1st prototypes that Mark made. As far as I know, I think I was his main tester?
The plates on the prototypes had no coating and I like it. When Mark started mass producing Recons he added a coating. I did buy a production model and I hated that coating...too prone to creak, so I removed it. I've not seen the new coating 1st hand but I suspect he changed it to fix the creaking noise. If so, then it's a good upgrade but I still don't think the coating is really needed but it certainly doesn't hurt either.

The new buckle is also something that I haven't seen 1st hand but I'm betting it's a substantial improvement. However, I'm still a staunch believer in a bungee belt because it makes the Recon "active". It can be adjusted tight and won't sag when walking and it can be slightly loosened when tethered (but still semi snug) and won't sag if the bridge/tether is unweighted like when repositioning, peeing, etc. The bungee keeps it in place.

We experimented with the stitching versus no stitching and IMO, I would highly recommend to NOT remove it.
The panels still move independently with the stitching and the stiching definitely helps panel management when the sling is not being worn. I launder mine A LOT, and the straps will get twisted in the washing machine. The same with pulling it out of a tub or pack...those stitches help keep the straps and panels organized.

As far as where a user places the panels during a hang, it's totally individual. Sit/lean, tether height, body shape, clothing, ROS versus platform, hours in the tree, and combinations of all that will determine where someone likes the panels. For the 1st few hundred hours of hunts, I liked them moderately separate, but I often adjusted them during an all day, 11 hour hang. But in the last couple years, I'm liking them almost overlapping...bottom of the top panel basically touching the top of the bottom panel.

I'm still using the original prototypes and I still like them a lot. I think my expiration date will come before my Recon sees it's last hunt. Well worth it.
 
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I think the buckle is probably a nice improvement for the belt. Are the brackets on the end of the belt that go outside the metal plates still plastic?

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I'll chime in a couple opinions.
I have 2 of the 1st prototypes that Mark made. As far as I know, I think I was his main tester?
The plates on the prototypes had no coating and I like it. When Mark started mass producing Recons he added a coating. I did buy a production model and I hated that coating...too prone to creak, so I removed it. I've not seen the new coating 1st hand but I suspect he changed it to fix the creaking noise. If so, then it's a good upgrade but I still don't think the coating is really needed but it certainly doesn't hurt either.

The new buckle is also something that I haven't seen 1st hand but I'm betting it's a substantial improvement. However, I'm still a staunch believer in a bungee belt because it makes the Recon "active". It can be adjusted tight and won't sag when walking and it can be slightly loosened when tethered (but still semi snug) and won't sag if the bridge/tether is unweighted like when repositioning, peeing, etc. The bungee keeps it in place.

We experimented with the stitching versus no stitching and IMO, I would highly recommend to NOT remove it.
The panels still move independently with the stitching and the stiching definitely helps panel management when the sling is not being worn. I launder mine A LOT, and the straps will get twisted in the washing machine. The same with pulling it out of a tub or pack...those stitches help keep the straps and panels organized.

As far as where a user places the panels during a hang, it's totally individual. Sit/lean, tether height, body shape, clothing, ROS versus platform, hours in the tree, and combinations of all that will determine where someone likes the panels. For the 1st few hundred hours of hunts, I liked them moderately separate, but I often adjusted them during an all day, 11 hour hang. But in the last couple years, I'm liking them almost overlapping...bottom of the top panel basically touching the top of the bottom panel.

I'm still using the original prototypes and I still like them a lot. I think my expiration date will come before my Recon sees it's last hunt. Well worth it.
I think y'all got it right on the Recon. I used mine all last season and all this season and really like it. I have made almost no changes to it in that time. Building three Wraptor 2 panel saddles has given me an appreciation of how these sling saddles are constructed and how they function.

I would love to see a picture of the bungee belt mod you are talking about.

When I am hunting i usually overlap the bottom of the top panel and the top of the bottom panel to have about a 9 inch deep seat. I will adjust this just a bit during an all-day sit. I've done quite a few of them this year. I seem to be gravitating to all day sits due to how far off the beaten path I have been hunting. I have been using 2TC this season with the Recon. When I climb, I have the panels overlapped and the belt cinched down tight, so it stays put when I unweight the saddle. It works great. The Recon is just such a great minimalist saddle. Everything I need to climb and hunt with takes up half of the room in my backpack (and that is using the large diameter tether and foot loop.)
 
I think the buckle is probably a nice improvement for the belt. Are the brackets on the end of the belt that go outside the metal plates still plastic?

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I think so I will check and let you know.
 
I think the buckle is probably a nice improvement for the belt. Are the brackets on the end of the belt that go outside the metal plates still plastic?

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I was thinking about that is probably the weakest part of the belt could always cut them off and use a metal link like this on it.Screenshot_20221224-074239_Chrome.jpgScreenshot_20221223-175444_Gallery.jpg
 
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A weight rated tri glide would probably be more of a fit if you wanted to beef up the belt connection. To me, the belt is just to hold the saddle in place so I don't see it as a safety issue, but that may just be me, lol.
 
I was thinking about that is probably the weakest part of the belt could always cut them off and use a metal link like this on it.View attachment 78657View attachment 78658
I would agree it's probably the weakest part. I've tried to think of a way to address that, but I haven't come up with anything. However, at this point I'd probably try the bungee belt mod first.

I like the comfort of the Recon, but the belt does give me pause to an extent.

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A weight rated tri glide would probably be more of a fit if you wanted to beef up the belt connection. To me, the belt is just to hold the saddle in place so I don't see it as a safety issue, but that may just be me, lol.
Yeah I have some tri glides but I was thinking of a way not to cut or change the belt. Screenshot_20221224-083353_Gallery.jpg
 
A weight rated tri glide would probably be more of a fit if you wanted to beef up the belt connection. To me, the belt is just to hold the saddle in place so I don't see it as a safety issue, but that may just be me, lol.
At the risk of derailing...

As I mentioned in the previous post, the belt does give me pause. Obviously, with the plastic that goes into the plates, it's not very strong. A bigger issue with the stock belt is that it has to be loose when weighted. I've had the personal experience of standing up on my platform in the Recon to get something out of my pack and despite using the leg straps (which also aren't very strong), having it slip down to my lower thighs. Had I not been paying attention and just sat back, it could have been bad.

The bungee belt mod addresses much of that.

I know many are perfectly comfortable in the Recon and we can do the leg straps should be rated vs leg straps aren't even needed debate all day long. However, coming from a Kestrel, I never felt as confident in the Recon given the belt and leg straps.

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At the risk of derailing...

As I mentioned in the previous post, the belt does give me pause. Obviously, with the plastic that goes into the plates, it's not very strong. A bigger issue with the stock belt is that it has to be loose when weighted. I've had the personal experience of standing up on my platform in the Recon to get something out of my pack and despite using the leg straps (which also aren't very strong), having it slip down to my lower thighs. Had I not been paying attention and just sat back, it could have been bad.

The bungee belt mod addresses much of that.

I know many are perfectly comfortable in the Recon and we can do the leg straps should be rated vs leg straps aren't even needed debate all day long. However, coming from a Kestrel, I never felt as confident in the Recon given the belt and leg straps.

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I never had that happen before! I'm using a ring of steps and never unload my tether the bungee belt probably is the best idea.
 
......I would love to see a picture of the bungee belt mod you are talking about.....
The way that I've configured the bungee belt has evolved over the last several years.
At the risk of yet another one of my long posts, sometimes it's good to hear more details than you might need so here goes...
One of the great things about an Anderson, Recon and ESS is that they "open" when under weight. It allows the section at the hips to spread-out slightly adding to comfort. But the problem is the stock belts. They work pretty well and eliminate sag when they are pulled tight but they don't "open" when under weight. A lot of guys loosen the belt when tethered allowing the sling to open, but then the sling is loose and will sag unless constant weight is exerted on the bridge.

The 1st time I hung in my buddy's Anderson from the post in my basement, I loved it but I hated the sag. I just happened to have one of those cheap, lightweight shock cords within eyesight and a lightbulb went off. Why couldn't I just hook the bungee to each plate so the sling would stay in place when unweighted? It worked okay but as with a lot of things, the devil is in the details.

The 1st issue was the junk shock cord just didn't have a good stretch ratio...gotta use 100% stretch.
The next issue was the shock cord was not actually attached to the plates which could allow the bungee to detach in the tub, or pack, or tree.
And the last issue, which I now realize is not really much of an issue anyway, was I felt a need to make some sort of "yoke" so the plates would have an even amount of "pull" distributed upon them (keeping them from wanting to twist slightly). But after a few years of various designs for the yoke, I realized that (when tethered) the bungee stretches and allows the plates to orient themselves anyway, so why have an unneeded yoke? That all turned out to be a good thing because I realize that nobody needs to make a yoke for the plates. Just attach the bungee directly to the plates but, IMO, there's some details to doing it right. The way I do mine is my version that's done without the prussic adjuster. There is a thread somewhere on SH where the poster shows using a prussic for attaching to the plate that also makes it easily adjustable. It works very well, but a detail (in my case) is the size of my waist in a medium Recon won't allow me to adjust it quite tight enough with the prussic. Nothing at all wrong with the prussic method, but it just doesn't work for my body size in a medium Recon. It probably would with a size small but I think the medium is more comfortable...for me.


So here's my latest version. As I said earlier, I've made several styles of yokes, but during this last year the webbing on my most recent yoke started to rip-out so, during an out of state hunt, I rigged this as a stop-gap repair until I realized that it worked just fine without the yoke.

This 1st pic is what I call the static adjustment (for walking, climbing, etc). When I'm wearing it in that position, the bungees is stretched 100% so it's basically a "static" belt. It's as tight as a webbing belt.
The zip ties... The one on the end is just a stopper. It's zipped as tight as it can be pulled with pliers. The 2 at the spring hook are just snug on the bungee which allows the working length of the bungee to be adjustable. I normally need only 1 zip tie for that function, but this is dyneema (aka Amsteel) shock cord which is kinda slippery and the single zip was sliding out of adjustment, so I added a 2nd one and it is holding it's position unless I choose to change it. But I've found that once I've determined the lengths that I need, I rarely need to adjust them. Initially, I would recommend having a longer adjustable bungee until you determine the best length for your body size and individual needs.
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This 2nd pic is what I call the "active" position. Once I'm tethered, I release the hook from the split ring, and since the bungee is still snug and won't sag, also allows the sling to "open" when I weight the sling. But it's not so loose that it can sag. The sling stays exactly where I've placed it. It's amazing how the slightest change in strap position effects comfort. Just a half inch difference can determine whether you get hip-pinch or hot spots. Many times hip pinch isn't really a saddle issue as much as it is a clothing issue...pant rivets (I hate those for saddle pants), seams, pocket location, lumps in your layers, etc can be the source of hip pressure and moving a strap a half inch can cure it. But once it's located properly, you need the sling to stay put, that's one of the huge benefits of an "active belt". Webbing belts just cannot do that.
Another thing that I like about the active setting is the sling isn't fighting me when I put the sling on. It's just snug enough so it isn't sagging when I pull it up. Notice that the spring hook also works as a stopper to prevent the bungee from pulling out of the plate.
Whether there is a bungee belt or webbing belt, the Recon can't really be fully opened for taking on/off because of the bridge configuration. You have to step through the sling to put it on, it's just the nature of it. I don't mind it at all. It just takes a little practice.

That split ring makes it so much easier to hook back onto the static position at the end of a hang. Thick clothings, jackets, cold fingers can make locating a place to hook onto a little clumsy. I added the split ring this year it it's a definite improvement. It also allows me to pinch-closed the spring hook slightly. I don't need the hook's throat to be opened as wide which makes it less prone to inadvertently snag on something.
This is how I do it, but there are many ways to skin this cat. I fully expect that you guys will come up with improvements on how I rig it.
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I've got yet another idea rolling around my skull right now. I gotta think on that one for a spell. If it works, it'll be a game changer for the Recon. Don't hate on me for using "game changer" LOL
 
The simplest solution to holding the panels together for washing or even wearing (like overlapping the center straps) is a $0.10 item…
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Okay, I'm tossing this out there for you guys to critique, modify, improve, or tell me why this can't have some applications.
For a Recon, this would be specifically for the models with the plates made for the rope bridge.
I thought about doing a full bury of bungee into the core of Amsteel. Depending on how the length of the bungee is terminated, wouldn't it be possible to give the Amsteel a slight bit of stretch? It obviously can't stretch beyond the point where the Amsteel is pulled tight (like when the bridge would be under weight) but it would also retract a bit when the bridge is unweighted.
And if this were to work well, could the production belt (or any belt) be completely eliminated? The Amsteel bridge would continue to function as always, but the bungee would stretch, or contract when the sling is weighted or unweighted? The Amsteel redundant bridge/belt combination would certainly be stronger than the webbing and plastic belt configuration that's used now.
I don't own a Recon with rope style plates so I can't really test out this idea.
Like I said in the earlier post, the devil is in the details. What are the difficulties with attaching an Amsteel rope through the plate(s)? I believe that a brummel around an item like a loop, or plate is not possible. A sewn eye or maybe another approach like a certain type of bury could possibly take the place of a locked brummel eye. I suspect that there are ways to safely attach Amsteel to these plates.
Might have to cinch an eye thru one plate and do a sewn eye on the other side. Gotta think about this and how to keep it safe.

C'mon saddle geniuses...help me figure this out.


The Amsteel would be attached to the Recon rope-style plates. The bungee hooks would need to be positioned in a way which would make the Amsteel "scrunch" when the bridge is unweighted keeping the sling snug on the body.
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I wonder about hooking the bungee hooks together to assist in a more static adjustment?? Not sure about that one.
There has to be some ways to make this work.
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The way that I've configured the bungee belt has evolved over the last several years.
At the risk of yet another one of my long posts, sometimes it's good to hear more details than you might need so here goes...
One of the great things about an Anderson, Recon and ESS is that they "open" when under weight. It allows the section at the hips to spread-out slightly adding to comfort. But the problem is the stock belts. They work pretty well and eliminate sag when they are pulled tight but they don't "open" when under weight. A lot of guys loosen the belt when tethered allowing the sling to open, but then the sling is loose and will sag unless constant weight is exerted on the bridge.

The 1st time I hung in my buddy's Anderson from the post in my basement, I loved it but I hated the sag. I just happened to have one of those cheap, lightweight shock cords within eyesight and a lightbulb went off. Why couldn't I just hook the bungee to each plate so the sling would stay in place when unweighted? It worked okay but as with a lot of things, the devil is in the details.

The 1st issue was the junk shock cord just didn't have a good stretch ratio...gotta use 100% stretch.
The next issue was the shock cord was not actually attached to the plates which could allow the bungee to detach in the tub, or pack, or tree.
And the last issue, which I now realize is not really much of an issue anyway, was I felt a need to make some sort of "yoke" so the plates would have an even amount of "pull" distributed upon them (keeping them from wanting to twist slightly). But after a few years of various designs for the yoke, I realized that (when tethered) the bungee stretches and allows the plates to orient themselves anyway, so why have an unneeded yoke? That all turned out to be a good thing because I realize that nobody needs to make a yoke for the plates. Just attach the bungee directly to the plates but, IMO, there's some details to doing it right. The way I do mine is my version that's done without the prussic adjuster. There is a thread somewhere on SH where the poster shows using a prussic for attaching to the plate that also makes it easily adjustable. It works very well, but a detail (in my case) is the size of my waist in a medium Recon won't allow me to adjust it quite tight enough with the prussic. Nothing at all wrong with the prussic method, but it just doesn't work for my body size in a medium Recon. It probably would with a size small but I think the medium is more comfortable...for me.


So here's my latest version. As I said earlier, I've made several styles of yokes, but during this last year the webbing on my most recent yoke started to rip-out so, during an out of state hunt, I rigged this as a stop-gap repair until I realized that it worked just fine without the yoke.

This 1st pic is what I call the static adjustment (for walking, climbing, etc). When I'm wearing it in that position, the bungees is stretched 100% so it's basically a "static" belt. It's as tight as a webbing belt.
The zip ties... The one on the end is just a stopper. It's zipped as tight as it can be pulled with pliers. The 2 at the spring hook are just snug on the bungee which allows the working length of the bungee to be adjustable. I normally need only 1 zip tie for that function, but this is dyneema (aka Amsteel) shock cord which is kinda slippery and the single zip was sliding out of adjustment, so I added a 2nd one and it is holding it's position unless I choose to change it. But I've found that once I've determined the lengths that I need, I rarely need to adjust them. Initially, I would recommend having a longer adjustable bungee until you determine the best length for your body size and individual needs.
View attachment 78660




This 2nd pic is what I call the "active" position. Once I'm tethered, I release the hook from the split ring, and since the bungee is still snug and won't sag, also allows the sling to "open" when I weight the sling. But it's not so loose that it can sag. The sling stays exactly where I've placed it. It's amazing how the slightest change in strap position effects comfort. Just a half inch difference can determine whether you get hip-pinch or hot spots. Many times hip pinch isn't really a saddle issue as much as it is a clothing issue...pant rivets (I hate those for saddle pants), seams, pocket location, lumps in your layers, etc can be the source of hip pressure and moving a strap a half inch can cure it. But once it's located properly, you need the sling to stay put, that's one of the huge benefits of an "active belt". Webbing belts just cannot do that.
Another thing that I like about the active setting is the sling isn't fighting me when I put the sling on. It's just snug enough so it isn't sagging when I pull it up. Notice that the spring hook also works as a stopper to prevent the bungee from pulling out of the plate.
Whether there is a bungee belt or webbing belt, the Recon can't really be fully opened for taking on/off because of the bridge configuration. You have to step through the sling to put it on, it's just the nature of it. I don't mind it at all. It just takes a little practice.

That split ring makes it so much easier to hook back onto the static position at the end of a hang. Thick clothings, jackets, cold fingers can make locating a place to hook onto a little clumsy. I added the split ring this year it it's a definite improvement. It also allows me to pinch-closed the spring hook slightly. I don't need the hook's throat to be opened as wide which makes it less prone to inadvertently snag on something.
This is how I do it, but there are many ways to skin this cat. I fully expect that you guys will come up with improvements on how I rig it.
View attachment 78661

I've got yet another idea rolling around my skull right now. I gotta think on that one for a spell. If it works, it'll be a game changer for the Recon. Don't hate on me for using "game changer" LOL
Just noticed on the new Recon the new coating on the plates there isn't enough room for the bungee cord to go through.The coating is hard not like the old rubber ones.
 
The way that I've configured the bungee belt has evolved over the last several years.
At the risk of yet another one of my long posts, sometimes it's good to hear more details than you might need so here goes...
One of the great things about an Anderson, Recon and ESS is that they "open" when under weight. It allows the section at the hips to spread-out slightly adding to comfort. But the problem is the stock belts. They work pretty well and eliminate sag when they are pulled tight but they don't "open" when under weight. A lot of guys loosen the belt when tethered allowing the sling to open, but then the sling is loose and will sag unless constant weight is exerted on the bridge.

The 1st time I hung in my buddy's Anderson from the post in my basement, I loved it but I hated the sag. I just happened to have one of those cheap, lightweight shock cords within eyesight and a lightbulb went off. Why couldn't I just hook the bungee to each plate so the sling would stay in place when unweighted? It worked okay but as with a lot of things, the devil is in the details.

The 1st issue was the junk shock cord just didn't have a good stretch ratio...gotta use 100% stretch.
The next issue was the shock cord was not actually attached to the plates which could allow the bungee to detach in the tub, or pack, or tree.
And the last issue, which I now realize is not really much of an issue anyway, was I felt a need to make some sort of "yoke" so the plates would have an even amount of "pull" distributed upon them (keeping them from wanting to twist slightly). But after a few years of various designs for the yoke, I realized that (when tethered) the bungee stretches and allows the plates to orient themselves anyway, so why have an unneeded yoke? That all turned out to be a good thing because I realize that nobody needs to make a yoke for the plates. Just attach the bungee directly to the plates but, IMO, there's some details to doing it right. The way I do mine is my version that's done without the prussic adjuster. There is a thread somewhere on SH where the poster shows using a prussic for attaching to the plate that also makes it easily adjustable. It works very well, but a detail (in my case) is the size of my waist in a medium Recon won't allow me to adjust it quite tight enough with the prussic. Nothing at all wrong with the prussic method, but it just doesn't work for my body size in a medium Recon. It probably would with a size small but I think the medium is more comfortable...for me.


So here's my latest version. As I said earlier, I've made several styles of yokes, but during this last year the webbing on my most recent yoke started to rip-out so, during an out of state hunt, I rigged this as a stop-gap repair until I realized that it worked just fine without the yoke.

This 1st pic is what I call the static adjustment (for walking, climbing, etc). When I'm wearing it in that position, the bungees is stretched 100% so it's basically a "static" belt. It's as tight as a webbing belt.
The zip ties... The one on the end is just a stopper. It's zipped as tight as it can be pulled with pliers. The 2 at the spring hook are just snug on the bungee which allows the working length of the bungee to be adjustable. I normally need only 1 zip tie for that function, but this is dyneema (aka Amsteel) shock cord which is kinda slippery and the single zip was sliding out of adjustment, so I added a 2nd one and it is holding it's position unless I choose to change it. But I've found that once I've determined the lengths that I need, I rarely need to adjust them. Initially, I would recommend having a longer adjustable bungee until you determine the best length for your body size and individual needs.
View attachment 78660




This 2nd pic is what I call the "active" position. Once I'm tethered, I release the hook from the split ring, and since the bungee is still snug and won't sag, also allows the sling to "open" when I weight the sling. But it's not so loose that it can sag. The sling stays exactly where I've placed it. It's amazing how the slightest change in strap position effects comfort. Just a half inch difference can determine whether you get hip-pinch or hot spots. Many times hip pinch isn't really a saddle issue as much as it is a clothing issue...pant rivets (I hate those for saddle pants), seams, pocket location, lumps in your layers, etc can be the source of hip pressure and moving a strap a half inch can cure it. But once it's located properly, you need the sling to stay put, that's one of the huge benefits of an "active belt". Webbing belts just cannot do that.
Another thing that I like about the active setting is the sling isn't fighting me when I put the sling on. It's just snug enough so it isn't sagging when I pull it up. Notice that the spring hook also works as a stopper to prevent the bungee from pulling out of the plate.
Whether there is a bungee belt or webbing belt, the Recon can't really be fully opened for taking on/off because of the bridge configuration. You have to step through the sling to put it on, it's just the nature of it. I don't mind it at all. It just takes a little practice.

That split ring makes it so much easier to hook back onto the static position at the end of a hang. Thick clothings, jackets, cold fingers can make locating a place to hook onto a little clumsy. I added the split ring this year it it's a definite improvement. It also allows me to pinch-closed the spring hook slightly. I don't need the hook's throat to be opened as wide which makes it less prone to inadvertently snag on something.
This is how I do it, but there are many ways to skin this cat. I fully expect that you guys will come up with improvements on how I rig it.
View attachment 78661

I've got yet another idea rolling around my skull right now. I gotta think on that one for a spell. If it works, it'll be a game changer for the Recon. Don't hate on me for using "game changer" LOL

I have been using a Recon for the past two seasons, so I appreciate all of this info! I really like the Recon so far, but I have a few questions based on the mods you’ve discussed here.
1. Did removing the rubber coating from the plates help the webbing to move/equalize a bit more easily? 2. Are the plates wearing on the webbing at all without the coating?
3. What size shock cord is that/where did you buy it?


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I have been using a Recon for the past two seasons, so I appreciate all of this info! I really like the Recon so far, but I have a few questions based on the mods you’ve discussed here.
1. Did removing the rubber coating from the plates help the webbing to move/equalize a bit more easily? 2. Are the plates wearing on the webbing at all without the coating?
3. What size shock cord is that/where did you buy it?


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Another recon fan here. I removed the rubber on the plates only on the bottom part (the part where the seatbelt webbing goes through) and left the rubber on the part that bridge webbing feeds through. It makes a big difference in ability to move/equalize the panels, highly recommended.

NOTE: when I removed the rubber there was a little sharp-ish divot in the middle of the plate where the webbing runs over it. I used needle files and sandpaper to smooth it out. I haven't noticed any wear on the webbing after I removed the rubber, but I did sand and smooth it as noted above and would recommend others do the same to avoid wear on the webbing.

I also removed the stitches holding the panels together and it also improved the ability to equalize and move the panels, but I have to be more careful when I roll up the saddle not to get things twisted. I go back and forth on whether it was worth it but I generally lean toward yes.
 
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