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Sit and drag comfort evaluation thread

I looked at rock climbing harnesses. Couldn't find one in stock anywhere that would fit me that only weighs a few ounces. Apparently not many guys that are 6'1" and weigh 285 rock climb. Those that do must not use a harness that looks less me a thong. Don't get me wrong I bought one and they are a good idea to use.
That's why I chose to go to a 2 inch riggers belt. It is stronger than the tiny attachment point on my cr harness that doesn't fit. You can attach a backup from the tether to the riggers belt. If the sit drag fails your left hanging from a two inch belt instead of 3/4 inch wide harness. Both would be uncomfortable. I think some sort of backup is a great idea. I would have to break two sit drags and a riggers belt before I took the fast way down. Unless the tether or carabiner fails. Why we are talking carabiners either use the ones that come with the sit drag to hang something up in the garage or throw them away. Definitely wouldn't use them above ground level.
 
I'm just picking on you :)

But you're much better off hanging from. 3/4" harness than a 2" riggers belt.

The Camp Harness is 35-39" XL. The Alpine BOD goes up to 37".

Remember that "Sport, Alpine, Race" harnesses are safety harnesses and not for comfort. But they are lighter and more compact. If it's there as just a backup and maybe a rappel down, it's just right
 
I couldn't justify buying a RC harness to add with the sitdrag. I get the safety arguement (there's no argument, really) but I already own an aerohunter. If i wanted the additional bulk i'd just haul that thing in with me (I may yet.), so I went with a riggers belt too.
 
The jeans I'm sitting in now have a 40 waist. I have the camp xl. I can get it in but it is more trouble than it's worth. If you can wear the rock harness it shouldn't be uncomfortable unless the sit drag breaks. I have also intentionally fallen off of my platform and also leaned back upside down in the sit drag without a belt and put my feet against the tree where my tether was attached and it didn't budge. Of course it's pretty much a full when it is wrapped around me. Since I needed a belt on it I chose to use a belt that you can rappel from and hook the end of my tether in its attachment point. I actually hung from the belt and rappelled down just to see how miserable it would be.
It's ok to pick on me. I think everyone who uses a sit drag should have some kind of backup.
So should everyone using anything using anything made by trophyline since all of their saddles are older than the recommended replacement date.
 
At that weight I think you'd be silly not to use one, I can't say what you are comfortable with or not and 2 sit drags is probably better than one, but if it's on your back and the lower one fails, you'll probably go for a ride.

It's probably my extremely bad luck with hurting myself that gives me a skewed position on the matter!
 
How about not dying? The Camp Harness is literally just slightly more bulky than a big jockstrap.

d_rek said:
I couldn't justify buying a RC harness to add with the sitdrag. I get the safety arguement (there's no argument, really) but I already own an aerohunter. If i wanted the additional bulk i'd just haul that thing in with me (I may yet.), so I went with a riggers belt too.
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Cobra buckle is rated to 4000 pounds. Webbing on belt is 7000.
8mm prusik(most people use 6 or 7mm) breaks a little over 3000 lbs.
Once I attach my tether a lot of things have to go wrong for me to take a ride. I am a little vulnerable when climbing but we all are. I could modify a rock harness with attachment points for a linesmans belt but I would still be using something outside of what it was designed for.
Once your equipment is stronger than your prusik it's overkill unless you double tether
 
It's not about the weight rating. It's about the distribution. FOR INSTANCE...I was warned by NewTribe not to clip in just to one side of the Linesman's loop as a safety. A single loop is very strong but the load has to be distributed around the saddle.

But wearing a good belt with no slack on your line is definitely better than nothing.
 
justsomedude said:
It's not about the weight rating. It's about the distribution. FOR INSTANCE...I was warned by NewTribe not to clip in just to one side of the Linesman's loop as a safety. A single loop is very strong but the load has to be distributed around the saddle.

But wearing a good belt with no slack on your line is definitely better than nothing.
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Hey I get it. It's dumb and I take full responsibility for my idiocy. I also don't recommend anyone try anything as stupid as I would for health and safety reasons. I'll look into the lightweight harness you mentioned, but i plan on practicing a lot before I actually get out and hunt. If Something doesn't feel right I'll default to my aerohunter.


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Yeah I don't use a RC any more either. I do have a lines man on at all times and I sit in the sitdrag. I don't recommend anyone do it. But I do


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d_rek said:
Hey I get it. It's dumb and I take full responsibility for my idiocy. I also don't recommend anyone try anything as stupid as I would for health and safety reasons. I'll look into the lightweight harness you mentioned, but i plan on practicing a lot before I actually get out and hunt. If Something doesn't feel right I'll default to my aerohunter.
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Familiarity breeds confidence. The likelihood of an accident decreases with each practice session.

If I fall, it will more than likely be my fault, or a catastrophic gear failure. A rope/strap/platform would have to fail or be installed incorrectly. I can't imagine a scenario where the SitDrag would fail under normal circumstances or be the cause of a fall. I would have to be doing some kind of crazy acrobatics before the SD became a liability. The focus should be on the ropes, carabiners, and climbing aids we're using.

The most dangerous time statistically is the ascent and descent. I'm not tethered to the tree during those times. I'm only attached via my lineman belt. At that point in time, I don't see where a harness makes a difference. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating hunters leave harnesses at home. I'm not saying that at all. However, in my opinion, I don't see where they add much REAL safety to the way I hunt.

If I'm more than likely going to fall during the ascent or descent (statistically, this is a fact), a harness doesn't add much value UNLESS there is a separate tether that I'm hooked into at all times.
 
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g2outdoors said:
Familiarity breeds confidence. The likelihood of an accident decreases with each practice session.

If I fall, it will more than likely be my fault, or a catastrophic gear failure. A rope/strap/platform would have to fail or be installed incorrectly. I can't imagine a scenario where the SitDrag would fail under normal circumstances or be the cause of a fall. I would have to be doing some kind of crazy acrobatics before the SD became a liability. The focus should be on the ropes, carabiners, and climbing aids we're using.

The most dangerous time statistically is the ascent and descent. I'm not tethered to the tree during those times. I'm only attached via my lineman belt. At that point in time, I don't see where a harness makes a difference. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating hunters leave harnesses at home. I'm not saying that at all. However, in my opinion, I don't see where they add much REAL safety to the way I hunt.

If I'm more than likely going to fall during the ascent or descent (statistically, this is a fact), a harness doesn't add much value UNLESS there is a separate tether that I'm hooked into at all times.
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Have you ever simulated a fall in your sit drag with that sewn in belt? I would imagine a piece of tubular webbing squeezing your guts and ribs wouldn't be good.
 
I haven't.

But my belt isn't load bearing. It would probably rip off in the event of a fall. All the weight is in the SD. I do not think a fall in a SD would be fun. However, the important thing is I don't think I could fall OUT of it. It would stop me from hitting the ground.
 
g2outdoors said:
I haven't.

But my belt isn't load bearing. It would probably rip off in the event of a fall. All the weight is in the SD. I do not think a fall in a SD would be fun. However, the important thing is I don't think I could fall OUT of it. It would stop me from hitting the ground.
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Roger. I helping a friend build a sit drag and I think he is going to use a RC harness with it. They are so lightweight now a days anyways. Adds a second attachment point to the tether in case of a sit drag fail, and a more comfortable catch if you do fall. But hey, i think everyone on here has different setups and techniques. Its all a matter of what you feel safe doing.
 
I personally think the SitDrag is a piece of junk. But I 'trust it' just fine when I'm wearing a harness.

I have my DIY "hammock saddles" made from thin Nylon that just have small Amsteel loops in the ends...but I've got a harness on with no slack connected to climbing rated gear.

Being 'comfortable' doesn't make you more safe. I have 2 friends that died scuba diving that got comfortable and broke some basic safety rules. I had a close call myself. Basic safety standards are there for a reason
 
justsomedude said:
I personally think the SitDrag is a piece of junk.
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Lol! Yeah. It's not the most inspiring piece of gear that's for sure... still, I can't help but think that there would have to be multiple catastrophic levels of equipment failure to initiate a fall out of either my aerohunter or my sit drag.

I know Murphy's law and all that... but this ain't my first rodeo either.

I'm seriously looking at RC harnesses... or maybe the new aerohunter drops before season I can I use that instead....
 
I would seriously just buy a new tribe if I needed a sit drag, harness, tree hopper linesman belt, 60' of rope and 16 carabiner to hunt. Especially if I thought my equipment was junk. IMHO


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red2delta said:
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Have you ever simulated a fall in your sit drag with that sewn in belt? I would imagine a piece of tubular webbing squeezing your guts and ribs wouldn't be good.
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I simulated falls but it was before I sewed my belt on. It isn't fun. Swinging into the tree isn't fun. When you fall to the side your carabiner on your bridge will often slide all the way onto the loops of the sit drag. That leaves your side supported by just your bridge. It digs in a little but a quick thrust of the hips rotates the carabiner back onto the bridge and it's easy enough to push off the tree and right yourself. I just can't believe you guys aren't wearing helmets.
 
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