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MattMan81 said:
OP should just change the topic to: Things that make me angry.
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You’ve got me mixed up with someone else; at least I hope I’ve not presented myself as a curmudgeon!

This is a purely philosophical pursuit.

From YouTube to Shakespeare is a giant leap, which may infact be a contiguous thread, but there’s alot of pieces in between that I’m curious about. Like: when did the term come into the hunting world and who brought it in?
 
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My first words are usually got one and it’s to my wife followed by a heart felt thank you for all the time she gives me to hunt while she’s holding down the house raising our son
 
raisins said:
people in action movies and such have referred to "smoking a bad guy" for decades

people have used "running" as a synonym for "using" for a long time also, especially in things like motorsports

i don't have pet peeves on that.....but don't like it when people say the letter "O" when they mean the number zero.....also all alphanumeric codes on products should have a diagonal slash through any zeros to differentiate from the letter "O"
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Come on. Nobody wants to watch DoubleZeroSeven. Or more regionally appropriate and much worse, DoubleNaughtSeven.
 
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The new crossbow I'm running just smoked 3 does and a spike this season


Read that three times over and measure your blood pressure before and after... if it goes up more than 10 you might be over 50
 
Blacksmith said:
I may be old fashioned but I don't like TV stars naming their deer either. Oh I just smoked ole' split three or some noncense/ I believe it only makes the critter seem more personable to the non hunting public who already think they are cute and have emotional feeling towards each other.
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I got a chuckle out of this one. Of course I'm not a hunting star/personality, and never will be, and we aren't familiar enough with the deer in our area to give them names. (other than the two we have never before encountered - "El Macho Grande" and "General Zod". Maybe someday...)

But my brother and I do name our significant deer after we shoot them. Our first bucks were Kevin and Lenny, and my best one to date we call Frank the Tank. He has one we call Sloth; he had an antler that grew down across his cheek.
 
Plebe said:
Come on. Nobody wants to watch DoubleZeroSeven. Or more regionally appropriate and much worse, DoubleNaughtSeven.
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maybe he's an alphanumeric code and it really is double o 7?
 
I don’t like that phraseology either but I will say it adds a bit more of an emotional context to the situation when on film or when you’re texting or calling your hunting buddies about it. It is also slightly less severe than “kill” but I would argue more disrespectful.

In my hunter/bowhunter/trapping classes we’re supposed to say “harvest” not kill. This kind of vernacular is used and recommended to reinforce our role as hunters/ bowhunters trappers in conservation…and the proper or wise use of our natural and renewable resources. “Kill” would be more of a preservationists’ orientation and adds unnecessary duplicity to our act. We never want to be associated with extermination. Just the harvest of surplus animals above the carrying capacity of their habitat.

But I will say, it sounds much less clinical and more exciting to say ”I just smoked that buck!” than “I just harvested that buck!”. And certainly either, generally sound more innocuous than “I just killed that buck!” With my buddies I say kill or killed. Talking in my classes or the general non hunting-public, I say harvest.
 
raisins said:
people in action movies and such have referred to "smoking a bad guy" for decades

people have used "running" as a synonym for "using" for a long time also, especially in things like motorsports

i don't have pet peeves on that.....but don't like it when people say the letter "O" when they mean the number zero.....also all alphanumeric codes on products should have a diagonal slash through any zeros to differentiate from the letter "O"
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What branch?
 
woodsdog2 said:
I don’t like that phraseology either but I will say it adds a bit more of an emotional context to the situation when on film or when you’re texting or calling your hunting buddies about it. It is also slightly less severe than “kill” but I would argue more disrespectful.

In my hunter/bowhunter/trapping classes we’re supposed to say “harvest” not kill. This kind of vernacular is used and recommended to reinforce our role as hunters/ bowhunters trappers in conservation…and the proper or wise use of our natural and renewable resources. “Kill” would be more of a preservationists’ orientation and adds unnecessary duplicity to our act. We never want to be associated with extermination. Just the harvest of surplus animals above the carrying capacity of their habitat.

But I will say, it sounds much less clinical and more exciting to say ”I just smoked that buck!” than “I just harvested that buck!”. And certainly either, generally sound more innocuous than “I just killed that buck!” With my buddies I say kill or killed. Talking in my classes or the general non hunting-public, I say harvest.
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You know, the term harvest has always been one of my pet peeves with the hunting community. Harvest is an agriculture/farming term and always felt out of place when referring to killing a deer or any other wild game animal. To me, for someone to be able to harvest something, they first have to plant it. For instance, we don't say we harvested wild mushrooms. We say we picked them. We harvest soybeans. We harvest corn. I feel like the term has crept into use as an offshoot of the deer land management mentality where guys are trying to take wild animals and control every aspect of the situation so they can "harvest" their deer crop.

I will usually say "I arrowed a buck", or "I just made a good shot on a buck", something to that effect if texting friends.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
You know, the term harvest has always been one of my pet peeves with the hunting community. Harvest is an agriculture/farming term and always felt out of place when referring to killing a deer or any other wild game animal. To me, for someone to be able to harvest something, they first have to plant it. For instance, we don't say we harvested wild mushrooms. We say we picked them. We harvest soybeans. We harvest corn. I feel like the term has crept into use as an offshoot of the deer land management mentality where guys are trying to take wild animals and control every aspect of the situation so they can "harvest" their deer crop.

I will usually say "I arrowed a buck", or "I just made a good shot on a buck", something to that effect if texting friends.
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I get where @woodsdog2 is coming from and agencies tend to make large efforts to avoid being offensive. The problem for me though, and I agree with everything in your post, is that death is not offensive, it's natural and necessary for our very existence. It is not something we should hide from or avoid as hunters or human's in general.
 
Oh yeah, no criticism of Woodsdog for using the term when he is teaching his hunter ed classes. It's normal to soften the edge on things for kids, we do it all the time when discussing adult concepts with young people. It's just when we start using those cutsie, inoffensive terms in general language as adults talking to other adults that things can get weird and disingenuous.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Oh yeah, no criticism of Woodsdog for using the term when he is teaching his hunter ed classes. It's normal to soften the edge on things for kids, we do it all the time when discussing adult concepts with young people. It's just when we start using those cutsie, inoffensive terms in general language as adults talking to other adults that things can get weird and disingenuous.
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I also sometimes use it in a work setting (my co-workers know I hunt, so they might ask me how my season is going while I'm eating lunch or something) or when talking to squeamish non-hunter types.
 
Speaking of Shakespeare, his vocabulary and that of his audience greatly exceeded ours by about 10x. We’ve lost a lot of the descriptive language that comes from recognizing and communicating subtler details of our experience. We are left with words like “harvest” and “kill” that kind of express what happens in the action we commit when the hunt is culminated, but those words certainly miss the mark, they are only a portion of what is happening.
 
Kinda reminds me of calling the shot when waterfowl hunting. Some people say kill em, some "cut em". When I had my brief stint of filming waterfowl hunts I caught myself saying "get ya some" or a gargled mess of unintelligible words because my mind has turned to mush watching 30 mallards back pedal over the decoys (somehow my friends still new what that meant)
 
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