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So Who's the Lucky Yarak Winner?

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Zacrowsl said:
Yes guys Lydia, Andrews sister, sent the email. I will admit it wasn't the best tactic. They were trying to apologize and make light of a already bad situation. That didn't happen. I've spoken with Andrew and he really was doing what he thought was best and what was right. He hates how this has went over and he feels terrible about it. Not bec sales but bec his reputation. He is doing everything in his power to bring the best saddle equipment he can to everyone and some bad decisions have kind of tarnished that. Just remember these are small companies with people with very little experience and knowledge about business. But they are learning from mistakes today! Dont bail on a good company guys. They will learn from this. Their good people. But they aren't perfect. I steel believe in what they stand for
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Very well said. That’s exactly why they get my business. They are regular everyday people like most of us. I don’t know Andrew personally but he seems like a great guy. Lighten up and let them make their mistakes and learn from them.
 
Zacrowsl said:
Yes guys Lydia, Andrews sister, sent the email. I will admit it wasn't the best tactic. They were trying to apologize and make light of a already bad situation. That didn't happen. I've spoken with Andrew and he really was doing what he thought was best and what was right. He hates how this has went over and he feels terrible about it. Not bec sales but bec his reputation. He is doing everything in his power to bring the best saddle equipment he can to everyone and some bad decisions have kind of tarnished that. Just remember these are small companies with people with very little experience and knowledge about business. But they are learning from mistakes today! Dont bail on a good company guys. They will learn from this. Their good people. But they aren't perfect. I steel believe in what they stand for
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Seems like professionalism has gone out the window in the hunting industry. When I see companies like WE associate themselves with people like modern assassins that have the f bomb and other curse words plastered all over their website it’s hard to take them serious. Then you have working class bowhunters who have most of their content listed as explicit due to the excessive amount of profanity. Hunting should be a family friendly activity and it’s sad we have to start screening content.
 
BayouBeauxhunter said:
Seems like professionalism has gone out the window in the hunting industry. When I see companies like WE associate themselves with people like modern assassins that have the f bomb and other curse words plastered all over their website it’s hard to take them serious. Then you have working class bowhunters who have most of their content listed as explicit due to the excessive amount of profanity. Hunting should be a family friendly activity and it’s sad we have to start screening content.
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Content creators are allowed to make whatever they want, and censorship is not for America. Don’t consume what you don’t enjoy; let others do the same. I wish more hunting personalities would be honest with their language and their overall message. At least Modern Assassins gets right in front of what you can expect from their content.
If I see a big ass buck, the next word that comes out of my mouth usually rhymes with “buck” and starts with an F. I’m sure lots of guys are exactly the same. Censoring that kind of thing is fine if you WANT to have families watching your stuff, but what if you just want adults of a particular audience to watch? Sounds like some of them hit their marks. What if you just want to show what you actually do in a hunting day? If that were me, you would have hit “Unsubscribe” really quickly and that would have been okay because you’re not the audience I’d seek. My mouth stops going for my 3YO and my mother-in-law, neither of whom go hunting with me, which is great because I don’t care one lick about profanity. Could WE have used better language in an email? Maybe, but lots of companies in this community are going through growing pains (just ask Tethrd). I’m not condemning you for feeling the way you do, but I don’t believe in blanketing entire subcultures in censorship because of a traditional view that somehow foul-mouthed woodsmen are verbal angels when they get a media outlet. If PG language was actually the commonality, this site wouldn’t need a no-profanity clause in the rules; it does have a profanity clause, which means the hunters on here are fully capable and fully free to use whatever language they like, but are clearly expected to want to curse or they would do away with said clause. Censorship is here on this site because that’s the audience/participation it seeks, and calls others like myself to put their language aside for a more neutrally charged ground between posters. On YouTube or the rest of the internet for that matter, guys like Modern Assassins (even though I just don’t really care for their videos) should do whatever they feel is on-brand for their audience, plain and simple. Equally simple, I totally respect your desires to NOT see or hear that stuff.
Good luck with your season, I really do hope you shoot a big rhymes-with-bucking buck!
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
Content creators are allowed to make whatever they want, and censorship is not for America. Don’t consume what you don’t enjoy; let others do the same. I wish more hunting personalities would be honest with their language and their overall message. At least Modern Assassins gets right in front of what you can expect from their content.
If I see a big ass buck, the next word that comes out of my mouth usually rhymes with “buck” and starts with an F. I’m sure lots of guys are exactly the same. Censoring that kind of thing is fine if you WANT to have families watching your stuff, but what if you just want adults of a particular audience to watch? Sounds like some of them hit their marks. What if you just want to show what you actually do in a hunting day? If that were me, you would have hit “Unsubscribe” really quickly and that would have been okay because you’re not the audience I’d seek. My mouth stops going for my 3YO and my mother-in-law, neither of whom go hunting with me, which is great because I don’t care one lick about profanity. Could WE have used better language in an email? Maybe, but lots of companies in this community are going through growing pains (just ask Tethrd). I’m not condemning you for feeling the way you do, but I don’t believe in blanketing entire subcultures in censorship because of a traditional view that somehow foul-mouthed woodsmen are verbal angels when they get a media outlet. If PG language was actually the commonality, this site wouldn’t need a no-profanity clause in the rules; it does have a profanity clause, which means the hunters on here are fully capable and fully free to use whatever language they like, but are clearly expected to want to curse or they would do away with said clause. Censorship is here on this site because that’s the audience/participation it seeks, and calls others like myself to put their language aside for a more neutrally charged ground between posters. On YouTube or the rest of the internet for that matter, guys like Modern Assassins (even though I just don’t really care for their videos) should do whatever they feel is on-brand for their audience, plain and simple. Equally simple, I totally respect your desires to NOT see or hear that stuff.
Good luck with your season, I really do hope you shoot a big rhymes-with-bucking buck!
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So when did you get a email from Tethrd that had profanity in it? Or any other company?

Modern Assassins is what a you tube channel? They are selling themselves to a demographic not a product to the masses.

Just pointing out there is a difference in the two.


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ImThere said:
So when did you get a email from Tethrd that had profanity in it? Or any other company?

Modern Assassins is what a you tube channel? They are selling themselves to a demographic not a product to the masses.

Just pointing out there is a difference in the two.


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I didn’t say I got an email with profanity in it, I just said they have growing pains. Different ones, though. And I don’t see YT content as different than a product. The product is your channel, especially if you are monetized on YT.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
Content creators are allowed to make whatever they want, and censorship is not for America. Don’t consume what you don’t enjoy; let others do the same. I wish more hunting personalities would be honest with their language and their overall message. At least Modern Assassins gets right in front of what you can expect from their content.
If I see a big ass buck, the next word that comes out of my mouth usually rhymes with “buck” and starts with an F. I’m sure lots of guys are exactly the same. Censoring that kind of thing is fine if you WANT to have families watching your stuff, but what if you just want adults of a particular audience to watch? Sounds like some of them hit their marks. What if you just want to show what you actually do in a hunting day? If that were me, you would have hit “Unsubscribe” really quickly and that would have been okay because you’re not the audience I’d seek. My mouth stops going for my 3YO and my mother-in-law, neither of whom go hunting with me, which is great because I don’t care one lick about profanity. Could WE have used better language in an email? Maybe, but lots of companies in this community are going through growing pains (just ask Tethrd). I’m not condemning you for feeling the way you do, but I don’t believe in blanketing entire subcultures in censorship because of a traditional view that somehow foul-mouthed woodsmen are verbal angels when they get a media outlet. If PG language was actually the commonality, this site wouldn’t need a no-profanity clause in the rules; it does have a profanity clause, which means the hunters on here are fully capable and fully free to use whatever language they like, but are clearly expected to want to curse or they would do away with said clause. Censorship is here on this site because that’s the audience/participation it seeks, and calls others like myself to put their language aside for a more neutrally charged ground between posters. On YouTube or the rest of the internet for that matter, guys like Modern Assassins (even though I just don’t really care for their videos) should do whatever they feel is on-brand for their audience, plain and simple. Equally simple, I totally respect your desires to NOT see or hear that stuff.
Good luck with your season, I really do hope you shoot a big rhymes-with-bucking buck!
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I’m not calling for blanket censorship as I can do my own censoring. I’m just saying it’s sad and unprofessional. Companies that sell things should be able to do so without using profanity. Modern assassins aren’t just a YouTube channel. They have a link on their website to “buy s***”. I’m sorry but I’m not going to buy something from a company that has to use profane language to sell me something, because if something goes wrong with the product maybe their thought process is ‘f’ you I don’t need your business. In the mean time I’ll do business with companies that at least portray themselves in a professional manner.
 
BayouBeauxhunter said:
I’m not calling for blanket censorship as I can do my own censoring. I’m just saying it’s sad and unprofessional. Companies that sell things should be able to do so without using profanity. Modern assassins aren’t just a YouTube channel. They have a link on their website to “buy s***”. I’m sorry but I’m not going to buy something from a company that has to use profane language to sell me something, because if something goes wrong with the product maybe their thought process is ‘f’ you I don’t need your business. In the mean time I’ll do business with companies that at least portray themselves in a professional manner.
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My point is, they don’t want you to buy sh!+ from them; you’re not their target audience. Your opinion is well-expressed though.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
I didn’t say I got an email with profanity in it, I just said they have growing pains. Different ones, though. And I don’t see YT content as different than a product. The product is your channel, especially if you are monetized on YT.
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Even if the channel is your business, the videos are not customer service. Entertainment isn’t really a comparison to an unprofessional email to customers


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Unfortunately these small companies can not afford to have both experience and great business concept of running a company and also experience in the stand/saddle. Like stated these are people that love hunting and are bring top quality products that will work great in the woods and keep us safe. Personally I would rather have a great safe product and see the hiccups of running a business then being great at running a business but zero hunting experience and trying to sell hunting equipment. We are not buying saddles made and sold by Wal-Mart so you are going to get bumping roads and if we want to see this industry grow we need to be OK with that or new saddles and climbing methods wont keep coming to the market and the current ones could die off.
 
BayouBeauxhunter said:
Seems like professionalism has gone out the window in the hunting industry. When I see companies like WE associate themselves with people like modern assassins that have the f bomb and other curse words plastered all over their website it’s hard to take them serious. Then you have working class bowhunters who have most of their content listed as explicit due to the excessive amount of profanity. Hunting should be a family friendly activity and it’s sad we have to start screening content.
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As far as I can tell The Modern Assassin uses WE products (as well as many others) and he likely payed for them (I could be wrong and wouldn't be my first time ever being wrong). I never knew he had a website until you mentioned it so I went there. As far as I can tell he doesn't sell any WE products on his site, but he sells a lot of others products (do we not use those products now?). Should companies tell people on YouTube to not use their products because they swore?

Back to the Yarak. I can't wait to try it, should be shipped to my door this week. Heaven forbid the company makes a slight mistake just to have a bunch or people chastise them for it. I'm not the most computer literate person but I knew the Yarak was only available in mesh, I knew there was a very limited number available, and I knew there was a lottery for the chance to purchase the Yarak. If I didn't get drawn I had my H2 saddle to get me going and a Flex still on order (hopefully be here early Oct to check out the differences).

To me it just seems like people are complaining for the sake of complaining and the few road bumps WE ran into gave these people what they needed to complain.

Again, my 2 cents.


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catman529 said:
Even if the channel is your business, the videos are not customer service. Entertainment isn’t really a comparison to an unprofessional email to customers


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The email may have been unprofessional, to some; I don’t debate that even though I didn’t take offense. The lady who wrote it even expressed that she felt it was unprofessional by saying “I’ll probably get fired” or whatever it was. Didn’t stop her from sending it, which is just a head-shaker for me. Didn’t see it as a stain on WE’s reputation, by somebody probably deserves a smack on the wrist for poor timing on their profanity.
 
I think we should all stop pretending that when the yarak drops that no one is going to buy it. I'm willing to bet most of the people that are "unsubscribing" to wild edge will pull the trigger on a yarak or other wild edge product in the future. They made a mistake, I don't think it's the end of the world. If we keep treating small companies that accommodate our hunting experiences with good gear like this then soon no one will want to do it anymore. I remember not so long ago when people were setting tethrd on fire because of the pre orders and wait times and guess what all their stuff still sells.
 
I don’t think we are debating the product or if we will buy it. I think we are debating the business ethics at practice here.
if we stopped buying things from business that we don’t agree with we would have to live off our land and make our own clothes and build our own cars out of metal we made ourselves. How far are we willing to take it? Idk, But it is completely ok to voice displeasure with the email.


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ImThere said:
I don’t think we are debating the product or if we will buy it. I think we are debating the business ethics at practice here.
if we stopped buying things from business that we don’t agree with we would have to live off our land and make our own clothes and build our own cars out of metal we made ourselves. How far are we willing to take it? Idk, But it is completely ok to voice displeasure with the email.


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I agree with everything you just said but I also think it's not that big of a deal either lol. I mean who cares who the guys sells his products to or who he associates with. That's his business. As for the email, was it unprofessional? Maybe. Was it meant to be a joke? Probably. At the end of the day doesn't it matter? Not really
 
This has gotten out of hand! Ok it was a bad email. Their not bad people. Or a bad business. They have great products and they are a company we should all support. You've voiced your displeasure. Now give them a opportunity to learn from their mistakes. The modern assassin is not a member of wild edge. He uses their products. Am I a fan of the language. No. Do I watch it? No. Should they tell him to stop promoting their products? I dont think so. He has his audience. You dont have to be part of it. Really guys let this die. Yesterday was a terrible day for the WE team. Its unfortunate. Mistakes were made. Its going to take time to move forward. But I urge you to give them that opportunity.
 
Zacrowsl said:
This has gotten out of hand! Ok it was a bad email. Their not bad people. Or a bad business. They have great products and they are a company we should all support. You've voiced your displeasure. Now give them a opportunity to learn from their mistakes. The modern assassin is not a member of wild edge. He uses their products. Am I a fan of the language. No. Do I watch it? No. Should they tell him to stop promoting their products? I dont think so. He has his audience. You dont have to be part of it. Really guys let this die. Yesterday was a terrible day for the WE team. Its unfortunate. Mistakes were made. Its going to take time to move forward. But I urge you to give them that opportunity.
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I don’t think anyone wants to upset you. And I don’t think Andrew or his team is bad people. They have plenty of opportunity to learn from this. I personally like there products and I think they will have continued success.



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ImThere said:
I don’t think anyone wants to upset you. And I don’t think Andrew or his team is bad people. They have plenty of opportunity to learn from this. I personally like there products and I think they will have continued success.



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Agreed. Healthy debate is all I’ve seen here. They made a good saddle and one person made a questionable email decision. We’re discussing the, uh, finer points between the lines. That said, maybe it has gone too far lol. We’re not really discussing the fact that the Yarak is now like, saddle #7 or #8 in current production, which is awesome. Nobody has come out saying they won the saddle though, so we’re chatting around the campfire a bit IMO.
 
matt76cmich said:
As far as I can tell The Modern Assassin uses WE products (as well as many others) and he likely payed for them (I could be wrong and wouldn't be my first time ever being wrong). I never knew he had a website until you mentioned it so I went there. As far as I can tell he doesn't sell any WE products on his site, but he sells a lot of others products (do we not use
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Once again I’m not calling for a boycott or for anyone to be censored. I’m just making an observation. Incorporating profanity into your communication with your customers is a turn off for many. Add that to what was clearly a poor marketing ploy disguised as being a fair shot to purchase their product, and your customers lose trust in you. WE’s success or failure will depend on how they move forward. I don’t think what they did this one time will ruin them nor do I think it should. I used modern assassins and working class bowhunters as an example of how the hunting industry has become less family friendly. If WE wants to promote modern assassins that’s their business, but people are going to form an impression about their company based on associations and actions, especially if WE actions coincide with the content on modern assassins website such as the email. I actually own WE products and for me they are just ok. They make nothing I can’t do without and as a business that makes ok products I would think it would behoove them to be neutral in their official communications with their customer base and not follow the “shock jock” types that are popping up more and more in the hunting industry.
 
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