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The JRB Climbing Method

Yes, is it that hard of a concept to grasp?

Only accepting 100% buy in in order to comment is a bit cultish and negates the possibility of answering questions that don’t get asked because of that very thing.

I plainly stated that I’ve been looking at it and watching videos for quite some time now as a very wary subscriber to John’s YT channel, but sat there looked at every tree in sight and there wasn’t one I could climb using ropes because, again as I stated, I’m not carrying 100’ of rope in with me. My interest remained because of, again as I stated, there are instances such as large, limbs trees that I can’t climb with one (or any chosen number) stick. Seems as if that resonated with one person who replied above…..

For me I would consider it a viable method for me IF I could simply buy 10’ of 6mm cordage from someone other than JRB himself because, again as he has stated repeatedly, he doesn’t sell stuff, lol, and tie 2 hitches, toss my rappel rope over a limb and climb myself up to where I needed to be. At which point I would attach my one stick to the tree and hunt because my platform is attached to my stick. I’m sorry if that offends you in some way.

I don't follow. Is there a question in there?

What I'm reading is:

Problem: I need 100 ft of rope but don't have 100ft of rope
Solution1: Buy 100ft of rope

Problem: I'm unwilling or incapable of carrying 100ft of rope but want to rope climb limbless trees
Solution 2: See JRB Hitch Climbing, 2TC, etc.
 
@dalton916 You could always carry 80' sections of paracord or other string, just in case you love a certain tree you 1 stick climbed and since every tree, including the ones in your pictures has branches even at 40/50' up just leave a loop while you're up there for next time. That way when you really want to hunt that spot again just grab the 80-100' 8mm rope you bought from EWO (not John, never John), and use it then. That way you slowly accumulate JRB trees. This is what I do, just not the 1-sticking part.
 
A limb does not have to be very large to rope climb on it. Think leverage and weight. To snap a brach you have to get quite a distance from the attachment point to gain sufficient leverage,, especially hardwoods! if your rope goes around the tree then its even better. Ill climb on a 1.5" branch if my rope stays at the very base of it!
 
mtsrunner above is a monkey when it comes to climbing and he hunts relatively close to me and in the same forest type. The trees just aren’t conducive to this type of climbing in general. If I carried 100’ of rope I would be doing so for sport in most cases, lol.

John shows in one of his videos that it takes 5’ of 6mm to tie the hitch. 2 times 5 equals 10. I’ll wind up buying 10’……and cut it in half…..to make two hitches. That I have no issue carrying just in case I can’t toss my rappel line over a limb to get in THE tree. But…..it won’t be until after the season is over. I don’t start using something that fundamentally different unless I spend time trying it out ahead of time.
 
mtsrunner above is a monkey when it comes to climbing and he hunts relatively close to me and in the same forest type. The trees just aren’t conducive to this type of climbing in general. If I carried 100’ of rope I would be doing so for sport in most cases, lol.

John shows in one of his videos that it takes 5’ of 6mm to tie the hitch. 2 times 5 equals 10. I’ll wind up buying 10’……and cut it in half…..to make two hitches. That I have no issue carrying just in case I can’t toss my rappel line over a limb to get in THE tree. But…..it won’t be until after the season is over. I don’t start using something that fundamentally different unless I spend time trying it out ahead of time.
@dalton916, and anyone else following along...

1. If someone wants to "toss your rappel rope over a branch and climb it", you'll need a throwball and then yes, it's no problem. Just have your rappel rope already rigged and ready to be an SRT or JRB climbing system. You do not need to tie any knots in the woods to do this... they can be tied in advance. I haven't needed to tie a friction hitch in the woods in all of my years whether it was MRS/DRT, SRT or JRB.

2. If the tree I need to climb has no viable crotches, then I use my other method: the JRB Hitch Climbing method. I have done multiple different demonstrations of it on the playlist by that name on my channel. I prefer to do using the running jrb hitch and using a pole to set it. If I have no pole, it's just going to take a little longer for me to make more moves and in that case, I would use the saddle Hunters hitch instead.

Either way, there is no slack.



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@John RB I have 2 sections of 8' webbing.. is there a safe way I could join these 2 sections together to make my garda? Water knot?
 
@John RB I have 2 sections of 8' webbing.. is there a safe way I could join these 2 sections together to make my garda? Water knot?
As long as the Bull Hitch variant is tied as described in the video, you have options for the lower part of the footloop. I climb with one foot, and I believe just about anybody can, and so you just might want a single Loop. Thats what I hunt with every day. Tie the bull on the biners in the middle of one of the 8ft sections, then put a water knot on each side, connecting the other strand, and cutting it wherever appropriate. As per the attached video on optimal system geometry, you just want to make sure that the finished product comes to about waist height when your foot is in the loop.

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How long did yours end up being to work well?
I am in a tree right now and that's a 9, not a 6... I used 9ft to create a one loop footloop for me, and I am 5'11". 8ft is going to be a little short.
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@John RB - thanks to you and so many of the others who are contributing to this thread. I’m sorry to ask a question without having completed the entire thread yet (I’m on page 11 - working on it). But if I don’t ask now, I may forget.

In a post above (that I can’t seem to find), I think you mentioned keeping a record (spreadsheet?) in which you compare strength and other aspects of knots. If that memory is right, can you please point me to it?
 
This is my preferred Carabiner orientation. Specifically with the small end of the pair upwards. I am flexible on whether the gate is on the near side or the far side. I usually have it the other way, but is pretty insignificant. Whatever feels good in your hand given the shape of the beaner. What is important is that when we grab them, we are only grabbing the Carabiner and not squeezing any strands of rope that are going inside of it. We don't want to add any extra resistance when we advance them up.
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Do you mind sharing which ropes are pictured?
 
I also feel the complexity of the hitch is a downside. If this was designed for new people getting into rope climbing you don’t want something so complex that they could easily get wrong. The Michoacan is so simple, it is difficult to get wrong.
As a newbie, gems like this are extremely helpful, and keep me interested and optimistic. I’m hoping you all who are developing and blazing this trail have even more practical beginner suggestions. I’m a bit overwhelmed with the amount of info in this thread and on the yet-to-be-viewed videos. I’m already hoping I can make some tangible progress before watching all of the videos to figure out if this works and is doable for me.

Fingers crossed there is a “JRB for dummies” starter pack/directions. “Step 1 - watch the first 5 videos. Step 2 - but 10 feet of climbing rope and 6 feet of utility cord and learn these 4 knots. Etc.
 
@John RB - thanks to you and so many of the others who are contributing to this thread. I’m sorry to ask a question without having completed the entire thread yet (I’m on page 11 - working on it). But if I don’t ask now, I may forget.

In a post above (that I can’t seem to find), I think you mentioned keeping a record (spreadsheet?) in which you compare strength and other aspects of knots. If that memory is right, can you please point me to it?
I am a list keeper ... i have hundreds and hundreds of lists ... I use an app on my phone and computer for this: Microsoft ToDo. Among other things, I have lists of knots, organized by types of knots. For example, bends, friction hitches, hitches, loops, etc. I have a few spreadsheets for different stuff too, but nothing that is published or ready to be... but if I understand what your specifically looking for, I can try to help. What kind of knot are you looking for? And for what application?

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As a newbie, gems like this are extremely helpful, and keep me interested and optimistic. I’m hoping you all who are developing and blazing this trail have even more practical beginner suggestions. I’m a bit overwhelmed with the amount of info in this thread and on the yet-to-be-viewed videos. I’m already hoping I can make some tangible progress before watching all of the videos to figure out if this works and is doable for me.

Fingers crossed there is a “JRB for dummies” starter pack/directions. “Step 1 - watch the first 5 videos. Step 2 - but 10 feet of climbing rope and 6 feet of utility cord and learn these 4 knots. Etc.
I like to think that even 20 yrs from now, climbing historians will be able to watch the playlist from start to finish and watch how the method has evolved. But for somebody who is just trying to make sense of it all as quickly as possible, I am using my website for that purpose.

Please let me know if this helps you. And please let me know if any information is missing or confusing. I am happy to attempt to clarify it as best as I can.


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I am a list keeper ... i have hundreds and hundreds of lists ... I use an app on my phone and computer for this: Microsoft ToDo. Among other things, I have lists of knots, organized by types of knots. For example, bends, friction hitches, hitches, loops, etc. I have a few spreadsheets for different stuff too, but nothing that is published or ready to be... but if I understand what your specifically looking for, I can try to help. What kind of knot are you looking for? And for what application?

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Thanks so much. I’m a complete novice. I thought I had made progress to learn to tie a Prusik with my newly acquired 20” eye to eye hitch. From this thread I learned that that knot isn’t used in the system, and I’m still early enough to know that there is back and forth about the DM vs the JRBAH, but that’s the limit of my knowledge.

So to make my ask more finite, how about starting small - the knots needed to know for the system(s), where there are options (like DM vs JRBAH) the pros and cons to each, and the suggested order in which to learn them? (And apologies if these are covered later in the thread, and/or on your site.)

I’m going to complete this thread tonight or in the morning. Maybe hold off on replying or sending me anything, as I may find the answers first myself.
 
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