John RB
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No, there's also a remote release option on the SHH. I prefer the JRB hitch though.
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The JRB Climbing Method
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Thanks John. I was trying to run predator as the main line. I'll have to try something smaller. I think I recall seeing an acceptable crotch angle as approximately greater than a "peace sign". Is that close to the truth if it doesn't have a bunch of junk cluttering it up or is there a better rule of thumb for the right minimum angle?
Are you still evaluating the WLR hitch for the this two rope application? I tied it on my tether and was pleased with results it but haven’t tried it in the this two rope system yet.
I and a big 6’6”, 260 lbs, in my limited testing it held good, broke and tended easier than the JRB hitch.
What is your experience?
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I’ve switched to the WLR until further notice for double stationary rope climbing. I’m putting it through its paces but I have been pleased with it thus far. That has been my experience as well.
After I sent the message to you I rigged my two rope system with two WLR hitches. Was out in dark trying it out. Double ropes makes everything easier than one.
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John RB
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I did make a statement that the "peace sign" would represent the shape of a crotch that's generally narrow (acute). Something over 45 degrees ( but still with upward slope and not horizontal) is ideal.
Predator 11.4 with 8mm cord is going to be a much more bulky assembly to pass through a crotch. If a bigger guy wanted more than 8mm, there's always 9 with 7mm cord.
I took this pic yesterday while on a hunt for you. Its about what i look for. Maples are generally great for crotch shape.
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WLR hitch? I missed this... any links?
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Some of have been trying it out and sharing our thoughts here.
WLR Hitch Discussion
I know there is already some discussion in the new product thread about the product from Wild Line Ropes. I don’t want to talk about that here. I would rather foster some conversation on the hitch itself. I would also like to get some folks including myself to try it out and see what works and...
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The_Fit_Ness_Monster
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John RB
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Thank you my brother. This is basically what I was hoping would happen. I give you some tools for your toolbox, and you decide what job they are the best for. If it is information worth sharing, it will be shared. If it prevents some accidents, we will never exactly know that. But we will know that we are on the right path. Our systems will prove it to us in our careful and deliberate and methodical testing. Cheers and good luck this season
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The_Fit_Ness_Monster
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No worries and thats exactly what happened, i was looking for points at where i could utilize the hitch. I see some people complain about “aww its too much going on”, at face value, maybe, but it took 1 watch/pausing of your knot tying video to be able to tie it and after 4 goes i have it committed to memory. It seems like alot at first look but its a fairly simple hitch it just has a couple more steps but its a logical breakdown. Along with usability i also like how the hitch looks on the line, its relatively streamlined and i get alot of questions from my peer group about what it is, its a conversation starter for sure. Good luck to you as well this season Mine starts in 5 days and i cant wait lol
John RB
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Details on optimal geometry and technique.
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Ok, so I’ve been subscribed to the JRB YT page for a while now and read up on it a good bot as well, but never had an interest in trying it. I quit looking for a way up a tree when I found one sticking and I quit looking for a way down after I found rappelling, I always read a bit on the other methods just in case. Well, the just in case came into play this past week when I found some sign I needed to climb on, but the ONLY tree I could get in was WAY too big for me to one stick, two stick or 47 stick, lol. It’s an oak that branches (gigantic branches) out about 12’ up. A ladder is out of the question. Enter JRB. So I refreshed on some more videos. I have enough Oplux to use JRB to get in the tree, but I didn’t have enough 6mm for the hitches. For whatever reason I didn’t order any.
FFWD to tonight. I had found a VERY fresh big rub on the property line between a thick piece of private and a nice hardwood plateau on NF. There’s a giant scrape (probably 3 scrapes that are simply grown into 1) under a beech tree about 50 yards away from the rub and there’s multiple oaks dropping between them. Today the wind was forecast to be SW and was that direction when I headed into the woods. I took the long was around to come in downwind and climbed just over the edge of the drop off where I could see the trail coming out at the rub and a decent amount of the ground between the rub and the scrape.
Once setup I drop some milkweed and for the next 2.5 hours it drifter directly to the rub. Sigh…..wind is the devil. I never moved because there’s really not a decent tree to get in on the other side that allows me to see what I needed to see. Plus, I figured with the wind blowing into the thick stuff the buck wouldn’t come out and check the side I was on anyway.
Thinking I was out of the game, my mind started wandering. I started looking around and there was not a single tree I could have climbed using JRB without bringing in a minimum of 100’ of rope. The only trees I couldn’t climb with my single stick were 2 giant oaks that there was simply no way to reach around.
I may still fix me up a smaller JRB setup to use on some “limby” trees, but that was really an eye opener and deflated damn near all the enthusiasm I had built up earlier in the week.
Oh yeah, the rub was at my 11 o’clock and the wind was blowing directly that way until the last half hour when it switched to what I needed. After 20 minutes of favorable wind a deer blew twice from right behind the rub. Go figure. Sometimes deer hunting just plain sucks, lol.
FFWD to tonight. I had found a VERY fresh big rub on the property line between a thick piece of private and a nice hardwood plateau on NF. There’s a giant scrape (probably 3 scrapes that are simply grown into 1) under a beech tree about 50 yards away from the rub and there’s multiple oaks dropping between them. Today the wind was forecast to be SW and was that direction when I headed into the woods. I took the long was around to come in downwind and climbed just over the edge of the drop off where I could see the trail coming out at the rub and a decent amount of the ground between the rub and the scrape.
Once setup I drop some milkweed and for the next 2.5 hours it drifter directly to the rub. Sigh…..wind is the devil. I never moved because there’s really not a decent tree to get in on the other side that allows me to see what I needed to see. Plus, I figured with the wind blowing into the thick stuff the buck wouldn’t come out and check the side I was on anyway.
Thinking I was out of the game, my mind started wandering. I started looking around and there was not a single tree I could have climbed using JRB without bringing in a minimum of 100’ of rope. The only trees I couldn’t climb with my single stick were 2 giant oaks that there was simply no way to reach around.
I may still fix me up a smaller JRB setup to use on some “limby” trees, but that was really an eye opener and deflated damn near all the enthusiasm I had built up earlier in the week.
Oh yeah, the rub was at my 11 o’clock and the wind was blowing directly that way until the last half hour when it switched to what I needed. After 20 minutes of favorable wind a deer blew twice from right behind the rub. Go figure. Sometimes deer hunting just plain sucks, lol.
John RB
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I am hoping you have built and tested your system plenty before trying it on a hunt. I generally carry 100ft just so i am prepared for those types of forests. We can simply climb as high as we want to be. I rarely even carry a throwball on a hunt. Today, i set up 3 new trees on a new property and those paracord loops can be used for many years in the future. I got done by 3pm, then drove a few miles and got in a tree with a preset from 2018... a relatively new one for me! I had an 8pt under me, within 20 yards for over an hour. He bedded for a bit too. I try to go high enough that the wind isn't an issue. He was on all sides of me and I was not detected.
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You have been hunting longer than me obviously. That buck would not have gotten a pass here...I am hoping you have built and tested your system plenty before trying it on a hunt. I generally carry 100ft just so i am prepared for those types of forests. We can simply climb as high as we want to be. I rarely even carry a throwball on a hunt. Today, i set up 3 new trees on a new property and those paracord loops can be used for many years in the future. I got done by 3pm, then drove a few miles and got in a tree with a preset from 2018... a relatively new one for me! I had an 8pt under me, within 20 yards for over an hour. He bedded for a bit too. I try to go high enough that the wind isn't an issue. He was on all sides of me and I was not detected.
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I am hoping you have built and tested your system plenty before trying it on a hunt. I generally carry 100ft just so i am prepared for those types of forests. We can simply climb as high as we want to be. I rarely even carry a throwball on a hunt. Today, i set up 3 new trees on a new property and those paracord loops can be used for many years in the future. I got done by 3pm, then drove a few miles and got in a tree with a preset from 2018... a relatively new one for me! I had an 8pt under me, within 20 yards for over an hour. He bedded for a bit too. I try to go high enough that the wind isn't an issue. He was on all sides of me and I was not detected.
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I’ll accept that you didn’t read everything that I wrote because it was long and interspersed within stories of two hunts so I’ll break it down to just the facts as they relate to the JRB climbing method itself.
1.) I will not be carrying 100’ of rope for any reason.
2.) Most of the trees in the SE where I live and hunt are not conducive to JRB climbing.
3.) I may well buy enough 6mm line to use the JRB hitch on my existing rappel rope to get me into the very select few trees that I can’t climb with my single stick.
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I’ve been carrying 50 ft of oplux which is only 10ft more than I (and most people) usually carry for rappel and about 30ft less than what I would typically carry for double stationary rope climbing (JRB). I find that I can get in most trees with this length rope. So Between 2TC and the 50 ft there’s not a tree I can’t climb. If I just absolutely need to get higher than 28 ft I’ll just SRT up using the full single 50ft length with the same hitch and Garda footloop combo. All that requires is some cord to pull down the canopy anchor.
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Which tree you going to climb?
All of those pictures are from the same tree I was in when I made the realization that there wasn’t a single tree in sight that I could climb with the JRB method. I don’t have an issue with it other than that.
I can climb all but one of those trees with my one stick.
That’s all I’m saying.
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Do what you want. I climb it all. I can rope climb several different ways with the 50ft I bring but I’m predominately 2TC now. One sticking is still great but when I’m hauling the fix I’m not hauling a stick as well.
Which tree you going to climb?
All of those pictures are from the same tree I was in when I made the realization that there wasn’t a single tree in sight that I could climb with the JRB method. I don’t have an issue with it other than that.
I can climb all but one of those trees with my one stick.
That’s all I’m saying.
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Which tree you going to climb?
All of those pictures are from the same tree I was in when I made the realization that there wasn’t a single tree in sight that I could climb with the JRB method. I don’t have an issue with it other than that.
I can climb all but one of those trees with my one stick.
That’s all I’m saying.
You probably don't know that JRB has a method that could climb all those trees as well.