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Trophyline Hyperlite Series!!!

BTaylor said:
100% of the guys I know that consistently target and kill specific bucks are OCD about every single detail of every aspect of their gear and hunts. Can you get away with some noise or not paying attention to every detail and still kill good deer, sure. But it is, imo, not going to happen with consistency and certainly not if you are targeting a specific deer and hunting it with a bow. Hunting mature bucks and/or specific deer with a bow is absolutely a game of details; scent, sound, tree picking, thermals/wind, feed, does, bedding, hunting pressure, access, egress, accuracy with bow, composure during shot opp, etc., etc. Lots of details and they all matter if the objective starts getting focused and specific. If just killing deer is the goal, you can get away with a lot more, at times.
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I don’t disagree with any of what you said, so in the interest of keeping the conversation going, and also moderately staying on topic with the trophy line series, everything you expressed can be accomplished with stock gear. You have to be even more meticulous about the details, but you can do it with stock gear. All of the big buck killers I’ve met in person wouldn’t be able to tell you where to buy a stealth strip, nor would they even know that it wasn’t some thing lewd or suggestive lol. Obviously, that’s a small sample size and not a very reliable statistic, but again, I’m throwing it out there in the interest of conversation. If you are one of those guys, like I aspire to be one day, the stock versions of these trophy line products are more than sufficient if you were already on top of the details. My very original points on the matter are just that, TL is one of the companies that FINALLY made some stock gear that is baseline quiet and light and strong, and the FIRST thing many guys jumped on is the noise. It’s kinda crazy IMO.
But we’re just shooting the poops at this point, and if strips and tape and wrapping make you feel like you’re increasing your odds, then you are. I’m not one to argue with psychosomatic cause and effect in the deer woods; it’s definitely a legitimate strategy that positive mentality and gearing up in your way breeds confidence which leads to success.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
I don’t disagree with any of what you said, so in the interest of keeping the conversation going, and also moderately staying on topic with the trophy line series, everything you expressed can be accomplished with stock gear. You have to be even more meticulous about the details, but you can do it with stock gear. All of the big buck killers I’ve met in person wouldn’t be able to tell you where to buy a stealth strip, nor would they even know that it wasn’t some thing lewd or suggestive lol. Obviously, that’s a small sample size and not a very reliable statistic, but again, I’m throwing it out there in the interest of conversation. If you are one of those guys, like I aspire to be one day, the stock versions of these trophy line products are more than sufficient if you were already on top of the details. My very original points on the matter are just that, TL is one of the companies that FINALLY made some stock gear that is baseline quiet and light and strong, and the FIRST thing many guys jumped on is the noise. It’s kinda crazy IMO.
But we’re just shooting the poops at this point, and if strips and tape and wrapping make you feel like you’re increasing your odds, then you are. I’m not one to argue with psychosomatic cause and effect in the deer woods; it’s definitely a legitimate strategy that positive mentality and gearing up in your way breeds confidence which leads to success.
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What I can tell you is that for most of my bowhunting journey it has been about shooting enough deer each year to keep the freezer full. If a nice buck got in the way, awesome. But big bucks was not at all my focus, I like shooting deer, all of em. The older I get the more I want to get better at killing mature deer and/or targeting specific deer. The more I have adopted things other guys that consistently kill big, mature bucks do, the more success I have had on mature bucks. This season, I actually made some changes to my scent management and they paid dividends throughout the season. The one thing I have not done is put much effort into quieting all of my gear, something the guys I know all do. Before next season, I plan to have everything stripped. Here is how a buddy that has multiple walls full of giants explained it to me when we were talking about getting in and climbing quietly. He said(paraphrasing) a little clink or clank every once in a while may not matter for killing deer but in any given season, you may not get more than one opportunity on a big deer and there is no reason to risk screwing that opportunity up because of being too lazy to silence gear. His perspective is it's not about increasing the odds of success, it is about doing everything possible to eliminate the odds of failure on the one or maybe two chances a year that you might have to kill a target deer. Increasing the odds of success is about the hunting or being in the right spot at the right time. Eliminating the odds of failure is about the killing and not taking any chances on things that could ruin an opportunity. Those are the things that are the difference between good hunters and great hunters. I would like to feel like I have reached the great level before I am done but I have a long ways to go.
 
BTaylor said:
What I can tell you is that for most of my bowhunting journey it has been about shooting enough deer each year to keep the freezer full. If a nice buck got in the way, awesome. But big bucks was not at all my focus, I like shooting deer, all of em. The older I get the more I want to get better at killing mature deer and/or targeting specific deer. The more I have adopted things other guys that consistently kill big, mature bucks do, the more success I have had on mature bucks. This season, I actually made some changes to my scent management and they paid dividends throughout the season. The one thing I have not done is put much effort into quieting all of my gear, something the guys I know all do. Before next season, I plan to have everything stripped. Here is how a buddy that has multiple walls full of giants explained it to me when we were talking about getting in and climbing quietly. He said(paraphrasing) a little clink or clank every once in a while may not matter for killing deer but in any given season, you may not get more than one opportunity on a big deer and there is no reason to risk screwing that opportunity up because of being too lazy to silence gear. His perspective is it's not about increasing the odds of success, it is about doing everything possible to eliminate the odds of failure on the one or maybe two chances a year that you might have to kill a target deer. Increasing the odds of success is about the hunting or being in the right spot at the right time. Eliminating the odds of failure is about the killing and not taking any chances on things that could ruin an opportunity. Those are the things that are the difference between good hunters and great hunters. I would like to feel like I have reached the great level before I am done but I have a long ways to go.
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Again, irrefutable points. I bolded my biggest takeaway; I expressed in a different thread that I believe we don’t stack the odds in our favor per se, we stack our workarounds—to the compounded failures that inevitably occur—in our favor, because even with all the technical advantages we have, the deer are still way far in the lead for “favoring” their odds at NOT getting arrowed. Not a question of positive gains, more a question of minimizing negative gains.
Now, as far as the second bolded line, does taking the extra time to pack your stock sticks/gear more quietly, walking as quietly as possible, not slamming your truck door (I ain’t stealth stripping that thing lol), smothering your coughs and sneezes, slowly closing your carabiners, etc. qualify as not being too lazy to take the time to silence your gear? Not asking to be cheeky, it’s literally my only counterpoint, kinda, to your entire reply. To me, that qualifies.
And for the record, YES, I believe you should be quiet as a mouse at all times, to the best of your ability and your gear’s safe performance.

Edit: staying on-topic (TL Hyperlite), I didn’t actually think they sounded that loud. That’s why I went on my soapbox ride in the first place. I actually think this is a huge leap for folks who don’t like to tweak their gear a lot, and besides them already being pretty quiet, the lighter weight also leads to quieter stacking just as a byproduct of not working as hard to be ginger with your manipulation of metallic components.
 
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DelaWhere_Arrow said:
Again, irrefutable points. I bolded my biggest takeaway; I expressed in a different thread that I believe we don’t stack the odds in our favor per se, we stack our workarounds—to the compounded failures that inevitably occur—in our favor, because even with all the technical advantages we have, the deer are still way far in the lead for “favoring” their odds at NOT getting arrowed. Not a question of positive gains, more a question of minimizing negative gains.
Now, as far as the second bolded line, does taking the extra time to pack your stock sticks/gear more quietly, walking as quietly as possible, not slamming your truck door (I ain’t stealth stripping that thing lol), smothering your coughs and sneezes, slowly closing your carabiners, etc. qualify as not being too lazy to take the time to silence your gear? Not asking to be cheeky, it’s literally my only counterpoint, kinda, to your entire reply. To me, that qualifies.
And for the record, YES, I believe you should be quiet as a mouse at all times, to the best of your ability and your gear’s safe performance.

Edit: staying on-topic (TL Hyperlite), I didn’t actually think they sounded that loud. That’s why I went on my soapbox ride in the first place. I actually think this is a huge leap for folks who don’t like to tweak their gear a lot, and besides them already being pretty quiet, the lighter weight also leads to quieter stacking just as a byproduct of not working as hard to be ginger with your manipulation of metallic components.
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I didnt think they were all that loud either for what he was doing. I like the look of the stick and will be excited to see if they release a mission size platform in that new material.

As for the other stuff, I am not saying you need to change anything you are doing if you are happy with your results. Folks that are good at anything generally become great at that thing by reducing or eliminating weaknesses or points of failure even if they think the odds of that thing happening are miniscule. We each have to decide what our hunting goals are and then apply the measures we feel necessary to reach them.
 
BTaylor said:
I didnt think they were all that loud either for what he was doing. I like the look of the stick and will be excited to see if they release a mission size platform in that new material.
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Oh man, a mission sized platform in that series might be the only way I’d think about selling my mission.
Also, as a martial arts teacher, I appreciate getting into “fights” that don’t cause bruising, breakage, or lacerations. That’s why I come to SH.com and pick gear beefs :tongueclosed:.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
Oh man, a mission sized platform in that series might be the only way I’d think about selling my mission.
Also, as a martial arts teacher, I appreciate getting into “fights” that don’t cause bruising, breakage, or lacerations. That’s why I come to SH.com and pick gear beefs :tongueclosed:.
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If I had known we wuz fightin, I would have used different tactics. :p
 
Can we get this thread back on track with discussion about a new piece of gear?? Beaten this horse to death. One guy doesn't like stealth strips, thinks he's a ninja, and what everyone else is doing to be stealthy is a waste of time, money and effort. His wife may be right. I don't know. Let's move on to something else...
 
enkriss said:
I am hoping they wise up and give us 4”+ of toe room on these sticks. That 3.4” I am not liking.
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Agree. My only quibble with the One sticks is stand off height which is basically same.

Don't know that we'll see them change it. Bottom to top step height/stick length decision was I'm sure to keep the stick at a pound and it may be a short stick for some. Adding stand off height they lose the 17oz. I'm sure they're trying to stay close to.
 
Pic1 said:
Can we get this thread back on track with discussion about a new piece of gear?? Beaten this horse to death. One guy doesn't like stealth strips, thinks he's a ninja, and what everyone else is doing to be stealthy is a waste of time, money and effort. His wife may be right. I don't know. Let's move on to something else...
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You’ve been stewing on this reply for what, two days? Cheers bruv. That’s a level of commitment I don’t have in my blood. I’m gunna choose to pretend there’s no personal attacks here, cuz I generally get along with everyone and I’m sure we’d get along in person over a fire…Given that civility and respect were exchanged with others even in the spirit of discordant conversation, I don’t think I even need to reply to you because it’s pretty clear you’re not in the mood to “hear” that anyone might have a different experience than you or a dissenting opinion on gear that’s popularly promoted, but i do feel the need to just summarize what you may have missed in the days it took you to come back and concoct these obvious ribs toward me:
If you hadn’t noticed, the topic had been refocused already. With a bit of humor and some good-natured jibes, we sifted through the BS that I started (it’s kinda what I do) in pretty short order, and concluded that despite our differences in gear preferences, the TL Hyperlite series is actually pretty quiet and will likely help you be even more quiet because of its light weight and the ability to manage stacking and packing with more dexterity, assuming one pays attention to a myriad of auxiliary details when they’re in the woods or prepping gear. Then @fr0sty added that because of his penchant for the EDP, he could see himself getting this new platform dependent on its size in relation to his pack.
That’s where we left off before you grabbed the Louisville and revisited the horse with your comment above.
Wherein you call to refocus.

So in the interest of getting over whatever you and I seem to need to get over, yet refocusing the topic further and coming to the table with a neutral tone so nobody gets their stealth strips feathered at the ruffles:
You mentioned that you agreed with @enkriss on the idea of extending the standoff from the tree; is this a make/break aspect of the sticks? It was not something I had ever considered as all the sticks I have used have been plenty far from the tree. Size 10.5 boot, might not matter to my foot as much but it bears considering and I’m curious to hear about it in future reviews from guys of all sizes.
Truth be told my least favorite thing about most sticks is the length, as my short self needs 5 or more to get above 15’ and I don’t like using aiders. That’s why I haven’t moved on from the 3-step style, and haven’t been able to personally justify spending more money to get lower in the tree even with a lighter overall payload. If I had to choose a stick in this style though, which seems to be where all manufacturers are taking their designs and moving away from the 3-step/single pivot step style that I prefer, these TL sticks would be my choice in this new trend of super lightweight sticks, over the Ones or Latitude’s carbon sticks (which actually seem pretty slick too). I’d have to see more of them in action but for a hunter who hunts a new tree every time, these seem to be a nose ahead of the competition.
 
John 35 said:
I’m not a fan of the v shaped type of standoffs the hyperlite sticks have vs standoffs that have multiple points of contact like the one sticks or the beast sticks.
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I agree, that’s why I like the LW style standoffs. Another point I’m eager to see reviewed.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
I agree, that’s why I like the LW style standoffs. Another point I’m eager to see reviewed.
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I will certainly be curious to hear whether or not the standoffs are a problem once the sticks are actually released. I spent the last season hunting with the lone wolf double steps with just the four points of contact and was a little bit leery as to how well they would do. I was pleasantly surprised at how well they grip the tree and I never had any kick outs or issues with foot space. Admittedly, I only wear a size 9 1/2 boot.
 
Nimbus1376 said:
I will certainly be curious to hear whether or not the standoffs are a problem once the sticks are actually released. I spent the last season hunting with the lone wolf double steps with just the four points of contact and was a little bit leery as to how well they would do. I was pleasantly surprised at how well they grip the tree and I never had any kick outs or issues with foot space. Admittedly, I only wear a size 9 1/2 boot.
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The custom gear doubles step width is 10.5” that’s 1.5” more than these. That’s significant. They are also angled out making them feel like more room. I also wear size 13s with back and knees wearing out….I need all the help I can get…lol
 
Nimbus1376 said:
I will certainly be curious to hear whether or not the standoffs are a problem once the sticks are actually released. I spent the last season hunting with the lone wolf double steps with just the four points of contact and was a little bit leery as to how well they would do. I was pleasantly surprised at how well they grip the tree and I never had any kick outs or issues with foot space. Admittedly, I only wear a size 9 1/2 boot.
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I have size 14 boots so I need 4" or more of stand off distance.
My old LW sticks are just over 4". Shikars at 4 1/8", LWCG single step at 4 7/8".
 
It must have been on their IG story because I can’t find it on their feed…
Did y’all see the pic TL posted yesterday of the bracket on the hyperlite platform biting the tree?
Cuz DAYUM.
It looked like Wolverine got to the trunk, those teeth were in DEEP.
 
DelaWhere_Arrow said:
It must have been on their IG story because I can’t find it on their feed…
Did y’all see the pic TL posted yesterday of the bracket on the hyperlite platform biting the tree?
Cuz DAYUM.
It looked like Wolverine got to the trunk, those teeth were in DEEP.
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But only 2 teeth were biting.

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