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Versa/Versa Lite Strap!!!

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swampsnyper said:
I’m really liking what I’m seeing. Great job Carl. I’d love to see a video. With all these guys using them, I can’t believe no one made a quick video yet.

On another note, I don’t think the versa button is a safe place to hang an aider. Don’t think it was designed for straight down force.
Wouldn’t be hard to girth hitch through a top loop in the strap, then loop over the top of the stick resting down on the v bracket.

I can’t stop thinking how I could use one on a WE Stepp.
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Does anyone know if they use grade 8's for versa button bolts?
 
swampsnyper said:
On another note, I don’t think the versa button is a safe place to hang an aider. Don’t think it was designed for straight down force.
Wouldn’t be hard to girth hitch through a top loop in the strap, then loop over the top of the stick resting down on the v bracket.
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I agree....
 
I know a versa button bolt wasn’t “designed” for this, but that doesn’t mean it can’t do it. Part of what we do as saddle hunters is find all kinds of ways to use things for purposes they weren’t designed for LOL!

At the end of the day it’s just another bolt. If that bolt is rated at a couple thousand pounds sheer strength, then I have no problem doing it. When I did it the other night, that Versa button acted like I wasn’t even there with 215 pounds.

I found this strength chart. Covers grade 2,5, and 8 bolts.

https://www.almabolt.com/pages/catalog/bolts/proofloadtensile.htm


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I think it also depends on how strong the post is. If it is 1/4 aluminium it is likely ok. If it is 1/8 wall like some of the diy stuff it is not likely ok.
The downward pressure is more likely to pull the bolt through the post. On a step the pressure is spread over a wide area or two bolts. Just a non engineer opinion.
A versa button on a tree with a strap is designed to have equal and opposite pressure on the bolt reducing the stress on the post.
 
Probably could make those versa straps with a bigger loop on the end for slipping it over a stick.


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Ontariofarmer said:
I think it also depends on how strong the post is. If it is 1/4 aluminium it is likely ok. If it is 1/8 wall like some of the diy stuff it is not likely ok.
The downward pressure is more likely to pull the bolt through the post. On a step the pressure is spread over a wide area or two bolts. Just a non engineer opinion.
A versa button on a tree with a strap is designed to have equal and opposite pressure on the bolt reducing the stress on the post.
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I don’t see how a human being could pull a bolt through a piece of 1/8” aluminum tubing on a straight down vertical pull. But either way, a simple flat washer on the backside of the stick under the nut would help distribute that pressure.

I’m not saying anyone even has to do this. But I probably will. I’ve looked at my bolts and they appear to be grade so I am perfectly comfortable with it.


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PJC said:
Probably could make those versa straps with a bigger loop on the end for slipping it over a stick.


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It wouldn’t be adjustable then. The only way you would be able to adjust it is by adding a carabiner to the bottom terminal loop and then hooking it up into a loop that fits the height that you want to step up. At that point you have removed the girth hitch from your boot which keeps the strap secured to your foot.


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Ontariofarmer said:
I think it also depends on how strong the post is. If it is 1/4 aluminium it is likely ok. If it is 1/8 wall like some of the diy stuff it is not likely ok.
The downward pressure is more likely to pull the bolt through the post. On a step the pressure is spread over a wide area or two bolts. Just a non engineer opinion.
A versa button on a tree with a strap is designed to have equal and opposite pressure on the bolt reducing the stress on the post.
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That's my thought as well. Is catastrophic failure likely? No. Post deformation over time? Quite possibly.
 
ckossuth said:
It wouldn’t be adjustable then. The only way you would be able to adjust it is by adding a carabiner to the bottom terminal loop and then hooking it up into a loop that fits the height that you want to step up. At that point you have removed the girth hitch from your boot which keeps secure do your foot.


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Ah got ya.


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ckossuth said:
I agree with that. You could possibly have some hole deformation on the front side I would think and maybe some post deformation as well.


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Yep. Leverage, substantial load, and a hard material mating with a softer one is a recipe for "wallowing out" the hole. But I'm not an engineer. It's possible that the strap securing the stick to the tree could work to balance out the forces
 
Nutterbuster said:
Yep. Leverage, substantial load, and a hard material mating with a softer one is a recipe for "wallowing out" the hole. But I'm not an engineer. It's possible that the strap securing the stick to the tree could work to balance out the forces
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I think some of the best non-engineers I know are on this page! LOL

You guys put a lot of actual engineers I know to shame!


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You could put some good two part epoxy around the bolt where it enters the stick if you are concerned about it wallowing out over time. Things that don't move don't wallow. If you don't have two part epoxy laying around your shop area you should probably go get some today...or just hand a few of your man cards over to your wife. :grimacing:
 
Tensile strength has nothing to do with the force applied to the versa button bolt as used in this manner. Tensile strength tells you how much force is required to pull the bolt apart along its axis.
 
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ricky racer said:
Tensile strength has nothing to do with the force applied to the versa button bolt as used in this manner. Tensile strength tells you how much force is required to pull the bolt apart along its axis.
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Ok, after further research it looks like shear strength is rated at approximately 60% of the tensile strength. The charts I'm finding show a tensile strength of 4750 lbs for a 1/4" grade 8 bolt. That would put the shear strength at 2850 lbs.
 
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