Who Did Not Snort the Fairy Dust? And Why?

[KyleND]

Did a full fairy dust line.. I like tinkering with my setup and believe it helps me be a better shot which in effect gives me more confidence.
Pros outweighed the cons for vast majority of my hunting setups.
Went from from 460gr to the full kill anything with a heartbeat 650gr TAW

 

[kbetts]

I’ve played with both. I always shoot heavy with trad arrows. No problems in the past with full length pass throughs. Give the little pixie sticks the ole plywood test or shoot a harvested shoulder blade......and take video for us.

I‘ll tell you the easiest way to get your penetration back with your compound.....go back to aluminum. I did this and the accuracy gains alone made it worth it.

 

[Droptine85.mt]

what if you set your pin at 27 yards?

Mainly because I want to keep it at 25. The perfect sight in my opinion is a 2 pin sight set at 25 and 40 yards.


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[kyler1945]

Mainly because I want to keep it at 25. The perfect sight in my opinion is a 2 pin sight set at 25 and 40 yards.


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so you want less than 3” of elevation change From zero at 5-30 yards right? Setting your 25 yard pin somewhere between 25-30 yards, with a bow shooting over 250fps, will accomplish that. It will likely be 26-28 yard zero. It’s completely independent of your choice to have a second pin set for a longer distance. Although, moving the first pin to that Longer zero will reduce the difference between the two, which is a plus.

25 yards is an arbitrary number. I think I understand what you’re trying to do, but could be wrong.

what’s the downside to zero’ing the top pin where from 5-30 yards, You hit +- 3”? Isn’t that the goal?

 

[neonomad]

I watched last night....so both THP and G2 have pretty good video evidence of the benefits of the heavies....THP shoot thru thick grass/brush with what looked like little to no deflection and G2 with a pretty hard quartering toward the shooter....both down in pretty short order. My personal experience the other weekend resulted similar with no track job required

I gotta say I hated that G2 frontal shot, I couldn’t believe it really. But the claim that the heavier blades slip through with shorter runs afterwards does have me intrigued again, and that hunt is one piece of data to support it.

 

[Droptine85.mt]

so you want less than 3” of elevation change From zero at 5-30 yards right? Setting your 25 yard pin somewhere between 25-30 yards, with a bow shooting over 250fps, will accomplish that. It will likely be 26-28 yard zero. It’s completely independent of your choice to have a second pin set for a longer distance. Although, moving the first pin to that Longer zero will reduce the difference between the two, which is a plus.

25 yards is an arbitrary number. I think I understand what you’re trying to do, but could be wrong.

what’s the downside to zero’ing the top pin where from 5-30 yards, You hit +- 3”? Isn’t that the goal?

Correct. I am thinking of moving my top pin to 20 and my bottom to 35. See what that does. Thank you for the input.


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[Weldabeast]

I gotta say I hated that G2 frontal shot, I couldn’t believe it really. But the claim that the heavier blades slip through with shorter runs afterwards does have me intrigued again, and that hunt is one piece of data to support it.

The 1 i killed the other day acted like she got bee stung....hit entry rib and broke exit rib...she ran less than 20yds and stopped and started looking around. Stood there for a sec and then got dizzy and fell over.....it was raining so I couldn't get any photos of autopsy

 

[rhagenw]

The 1 i killed the other day acted like she got bee stung....hit entry rib and broke exit rib...she ran less than 20yds and stopped and started looking around. Stood there for a sec and then got dizzy and fell over.....it was raining so I couldn't get any photos of autopsy

x2 the Doe I shot with my moderate fairy dusted arrow did the same...I’m curious what is the average shot distance for everyone? I’m close to 2 dozen deer and all but 2 to maybe 3 has been under 25 yards most under 20

 

[Weldabeast]

Same as u....25>

 

[CooterBrown]

x2 the Doe I shot with my moderate fairy dusted arrow did the same...I’m curious what is the average shot distance for everyone? I’m close to 2 dozen deer and all but 2 to maybe 3 has been under 25 yards most under 20

Don't know about everybody else but all of Rut's "Dit'n Go 20"

 

[elk yinzer]

In my experience if a deer is unaware they don't usually run full bore after being shot with an arrow. Couple hops, walk a bit, and hopefully keel over.

If you shoot them when they are on high alert, they take off like a rocket.

I don't believe arrow weight is any factor. Although I've never shot a deer with a mechanical broadhead so I can't comment if that maybe a factor.

 

[kongzilla]

The funny thing is good ol ranch fairy was in that video with tethrd when "g2" shot his buck. I think with a faster arrow and maybe a flapper, the outcome would've been dif different.

 

[Homebrew454]

I’ve played with both. I always shoot heavy with trad arrows. No problems in the past with full length pass throughs. Give the little pixie sticks the ole plywood test or shoot a harvested shoulder blade......and take video for us.

I‘ll tell you the easiest way to get your penetration back with your compound.....go back to aluminum. I did this and the accuracy gains alone made it worth it.

I'll never go back to aluminum arrows. I lost two using Easton 2216 gamegetter arrows with no pass through with cut on contact head (magnus). I think the thinner carbon arrows are much superior with penetration. With my current setup, I'm getting pass throughs and arrow tip buried 6 inches into the ground. My last deer went 20 yards and was shot at 35 yards.

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[FletchDeep]

My thoughts on the heavy arrows debate.
1st off I absolutely agree if you don't want to shoot an "adult bow" then stay away from large mechanicals with flatter blade angles.

2nd I don't believe you need a massively heavy arrow with a good cutting angle fixed blade. The two deer my wife has killed with her bow were complete pass throughs on KS deer with a thunderhead 100 grain on 350 grain total arrow weight. She shoots 45# with a 24" draw.

3rd The reason so many of the heavy arrow people have to brag about their "plan B" poor shot placement stories is directly related to their slow arrow speed and allowing the deer to react. Many of you all are talking about taking your speeds down to 220 or 240 fps. Compare the numbers below to my setup that pumps out a 480 grain arrow at 310 fps.

 

[Deerhunter81]

The pin gap/arrow trajectory not being affected that you speak of only comes into play at 60 yards and further. 90% of us here won’t shoot a deer past 30 yards. A very critical part of my setup is being able to shoot 1 pin from 0-30 yards with minimal drop/compensation. Even my “twisler” shafts caused such a severe pin gap issue I almost didn’t shoot them. If I hold my 25 yard pin dead on the dot at 30 yards, my arrow will drop 5-6 inches and that’s ONLY a 5 yard difference! I am shooting 74 pounds @ 29.5” dL. I never like for my 25 yard pin to drop more than 3 inches at 30. It was absolutely an adjustment and can be a major league problem for people that do not know how to compensate hold over/under with their pin(s).

There will be a bunch of deer missed this year because of this. Some will miss the biggest deer of their lives because they risked the payoff of arrow trajectory forgiveness to be able to shoot any angle on a whitetail deer.


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I would be willing to bet more people wound deer with “twister” shafts as you call them, then people miss due to arrow trajectory (assuming the practice properly and learn their equipment as we all should). Everyone wants an excuse why they miss, we need to practice with our equipment and do our part!

I would much rather miss (that’s better for the animal) than wound a deer! Especially the biggest buck I have ever seen!

As I said, it’s not for everyone, that’s fine. Your choice is to shoot 1 pin to 30 yards. That’s your choice, everyone has the right to be informed and the right to make a choice what is best for them.

Someone’s opinion of the Ranch Fairy should never affect their equipment choice, just my opinion. He is sarcastic and some can’t understand/handle that. Whatever works, works...period!

 

[slonstdy]

In my experience if a deer is unaware they don't usually run full bore after being shot with an arrow. Couple hops, walk a bit, and hopefully keel over.

If you shoot them when they are on high alert, they take off like a rocket.

I don't believe arrow weight is any factor. Although I've never shot a deer with a mechanical broadhead so I can't comment if that maybe a factor.

I hunted for all my life with mechanicals and every deer took off like they just got hit by a bolt of lightning and didn't stop running hard till they expired. This years doe with a black hornet ser-razor ran 20 yds stopped then walked away till she dropped.

 

[FletchDeep]

I would be willing to bet more people wound deer with “twister” shafts as you call them, then people miss due to arrow trajectory (assuming the practice properly and learn their equipment as we all should). Everyone wants an excuse why they miss, we need to practice with our equipment and do our part!

I would much rather miss (that’s better for the animal) than wound a deer! Especially the biggest buck I have ever seen!

As I said, it’s not for everyone, that’s fine. Your choice is to shoot 1 pin to 30 yards. That’s your choice, everyone has the right to be informed and the right to make a choice what is best for them.

Someone’s opinion of the Ranch Fairy should never affect their equipment choice, just my opinion. He is sarcastic and some can’t understand/handle that. Whatever works, works...period!

Wrong. Mechs had a higher recovery rate and less misses.

High Deer Recovery Rates for Fixed-Blade and Mechanical Broadheads | National Deer Association

www.qdma.com

 

[Aaronpaul14]

Wrong. Mechs had a higher recovery rate and less misses.

High Deer Recovery Rates for Fixed-Blade and Mechanical Broadheads | National Deer Association

www.qdma.com

I’d like to see that number closer to the number of deer taken. I understand it’s a percentage but less than a 1/4 of data collected for mechanical(230) vs fixed(1066). There are so many variables in that kind of study too.

Bow specs
Shot angles
Alert deer or not
Quartered or broadside
Type of broadhead
Distance shot
Weather
Etc......

 

[Deerhunter81]

Wrong. Mechs had a higher recovery rate and less misses.

High Deer Recovery Rates for Fixed-Blade and Mechanical Broadheads | National Deer Association

www.qdma.com

Lol....wrong. If you tune your bow, fixed Broadheads will fly....first let’s establish that FACT! Believe what you want about mechanicals! I have shot plenty of deer with both. Shoot a 250-300# deer with a mechanical and hit anywhere in the shoulder and let’s talk about your results... Any quality fixed head you will be fine. With a mechanical, good luck. Some will certainly out perform others!

Shoot what makes you feel good, I certainly will!

I’m not trying to convert anyone, just stating what works extremely well for me.

If I miss do to misjudging yardage, I missed. It’s not my arrows fault. That’s the point that needs to be understood! FACT!

 

[Nutterbuster]

Gosh I missed archerytalk.