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Allegheny Tom

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Back to serious talk. Feathers do make more noise and esp the faster they are shot, at least in my experience. That said, I do not think it makes a lick of difference in relation to deer reaction, again based on my experiences. I have seen deer clearly react to the bow, I have seen deer seemingly react to the sound of the arrow on a little longer shots. I think it really boils down to the individual animal and I really cant put a finger on why they react the way they do. My experience last year is a perfect example. Opening weekend I had three does come into to a persimmon and when the shot broke, the deer I was shooting at went full blown matrix like a cracked out texas deer. This was on completely unpressured private ground too. Last shot of the season was at another doe on a food plot, late season hunting from a blind. Wind was swirly and she came in from the down wind side, bad skittish, head bobbing the blind, bounded off twice 20-30 yards and came back. When she got broadside I took the shot fully expecting her to drop hard. She was locked up like she just stared at Medusa and didnt move at all. Instead of holding lower third like normal I shot for just under her chest and that is right where the arrow harmlessly went. I guess my point is 2 fold, dont try to second guess what the deer is gong to do because there is seemingly no rhyme or reason for how significantly or not they will react to the shot or the arrow. I think our best bet is to set our gear up for as optimal of a tune as we can get and shoot for a lower third exit in the front half of the chest.
Excellent post.
That general concept could apply to a lot of aspects of hunting like odor and wind.
Deer are individuals and each and every encounter is an entirely new deal. Do the best you can and don't make assumptions or take anything for granted.
 

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The secret of trad is the magic. There is nothing wrong with technology and shooting the latest and greatest. But it holds no mystery, no warmth, no flashbacks to days long since past. Trad is a connection not only to the land but to the history of mankind. To feel muscles strain as you hold back all the weight, a sight picture only in your minds eye, to release a paradox of anticipation, To watch with clarity as the arrow flies toward the target bending a twisting, yet some how straight. These are the secrets of trad.
Am I the only one old enough to remember when everyone shot trad? My older brother thought anyone who shot a recurve was ruining the sport. This has been gone over and over again, everything evolves. Really, no mystery, to each their own.
 

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Am I the only one old enough to remember when everyone shot trad? My older brother thought anyone who shot a recurve was ruining the sport. This has been gone over and over again, everything evolves. Really, no mystery, to each their own.
Recurve bows date back to 1200-1000 bc. That’s a pretty old evolution to be arguing about ruining the sport by anyone alive in the last century. Just saying. And I’ll say it again, for me and my opinion I don’t get the magic from a trigger and a sight pin. But I also don’t think it’s ruining the sport.
 
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eastchannel

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Recurve bows date back to 1200-1000 bc. That’s a pretty old evolution to be arguing about ruining the sport. Just saying. And I’ll say it again, for me and my opinion I don’t get the magic from a trigger and a sight pin. But I also don’t think it’s ruining the sport.
He followed Hill, had no use for Bear.
 
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boyne bowhunter

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Just a bit more sound recording data taken this morning while it was still fairly quiet outside. All shots are from 25 yds from the same bow using the same arrow. The camera is set up in line with and a yard to the left of the block. I believe the initial spike is the click of the release, the second disruption is the string slapping the stop and the vanes passing through the whisker biscuit. The final spike is the arrow hitting the block. Its impossible to tell for sure at real time and the sound is distorted enough at slow playback for me to discern what the initial sounds are.


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Interesting @boyne bowhunter. Looking at the top 2 traces, you can see the arrow flexing causing added noise from the vanes (my interp anyways). You can also see that the arrow is taking longer to recover with the heavier BH compared to the field point but not much. You can see the flex in the rage trace but the whistle from that head is continuous.
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You can also see the shape of the heads at the end. The FP having the smallest x-section made the least noise while the widening x-section of the BH traces an equally widening noise pattern. You can see the rage blades opening (first bump) followed by the brief dip until the blades again impact the target (second bump).

What is the total duration from release to impact?
 

boyne bowhunter

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You can also see the shape of the heads at the end. The FP having the smallest x-section made the least noise while the widening x-section of the BH traces an equally widening noise pattern. You can see the rage blades opening (first bump) followed by the brief dip until the blades again impact the target (second bump).

What is the total duration from release to impact?
Somewhere in the range of .25 seconds. Unfortunately my video editing software doesn't have the time resolution to get an exact number but that's the best estimate I can get. This jives with the 270 ft/sec (EZ-V insert that works for me) over 75 feet.
 
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boyne bowhunter

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Would be great to compare that graph to one with a slower arrow speed in 230-240fps range...

Nice data there, thanks for sharing @boyne bowhunter!
If I can find some quiet time I'll see if I can replicate the experiment with my long bow. It's definitely apples and oranges though. It would be interesting for me from a standpoint of estimating what speed I'm shooting from my longbow though . . . assuming I can hit the block. :tearsofjoy:
 

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I think we are really over thinking this. I applaud the crazy amount research. Being that every animal is different and every encounter thousands or more variables many of which we can’t control. Carry on fellas, can’t say I’ll check back.
 
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It is rather intriguing to look through all of the research and data. It’s even more intriguing to try it. I may try it again. Never know. I’ll leave these arrows laying down here just in case I get a wild hair
 

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Just for grins . . .50# longbow at 15yds. Black Eagle Vintage carbon arrows with feathers and a 200grn field point. Time to target approximately .2 sec. The arrow is definitely quieter in flight at the slower speed.

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Ok boys. See you in the trad forum. Good day. I look forward to the future chats.