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Who has snorted the Fairy Dust?

Weldabeast said:
I don't have those...I haven't done any research....are u looking at them to save money or because they are in stock? They look awesome but I guess they trying to save money with 2piece aluminum? I think a wiser choice would be same shape/style but 1 piece....maybe everybody sold out and that's all that's available...I'd shoot that if I didn't have a solid broadhead choice....structural integrity #1
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What is your preference?
 
Weldabeast said:
I don't have those...I haven't done any research....are u looking at them to save money or because they are in stock? They look awesome but I guess they trying to save money with 2piece aluminum? I think a wiser choice would be same shape/style but 1 piece....maybe everybody sold out and that's all that's available...I'd shoot that if I didn't have a solid broadhead choice....structural integrity #1
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Money not really an issue just trying to figure out what a want.
 
CooterBrown said:
What is your preference?
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Of broadhead? The best I can afford. Hehehe
I have cutthroat on my arrows that I got used off of SH.
I like the 3to1 long single bevels that are 1 solid piece....I'll buy some nice ones someday but I'm pretty happy with these cutthroat for now....they are gonna last a while thou...get real sharp. If I hadn't lucked into these I'd probably have grizzlystik or tuffhead
 
Weldabeast said:
Of broadhead? The best I can afford. Hehehe
I have cutthroat on my arrows that I got used off of SH.
I like the 3to1 long single bevels that are 1 solid piece....I'll buy some nice ones someday but I'm pretty happy with these cutthroat for now....they are gonna last a while thou...get real sharp. If I hadn't lucked into these I'd probably have grizzlystik or tuffhead
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Tks . I assume grizzlystik and tuffhead are the premium brands
 
boyne bowhunter said:
I have to admit, I didn't have any trouble killing deer with the Rages. I even had several fall within sight. But my experience on hits was very similar to those seen in the video, even without hitting any serious bone I only achieved about half arrow penetration the vast majority of the time. As I said, I don't have any evidence yet that my new setup is going to be better (I didn't kill a deer with the bow last year) but I don't think it will be any worse. If nothing else the COC should help with initial penetration and my bow has to be better tuned to shoot the fixed blades on target.
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I don't know what you are getting for speed but it sounds like your setup is close to the numbers I'm liking.

I may be babystepping this a bit, but seeing as I haven't had penetration issues it's a bit of a leap to go full Ashby. I don't want to make a change that maybe takes away from an element that has been important in my successes.

My brothers switched to VPA long ago and the mental gymnastics of going COC aren't too hard for me. With an equal tune, the single bevel Alien V2 broadheads I've got have the same cutting diameter (1.5") and number of blades (2) as the Rage's I was last using. But the V2s are an improvement in durability, sharpness, and cut shape. As well they may wedge through bone better, being single bevel. I don't know what I'd be giving up. They are a non-vented, so shouldn't be too loud, but possibly noisier? And I'm not sure how they will compare on deflection.

If I can increase foc and overall arrow mass and not loose speed over my current setup, with a more efficient bow, that's an easy win. (So long as the bow is as forgiving and I can shoot it as well as my current rig).

Ultimately, I don't want to ruin a good thing, but think there's room for improvement in my setup with only small performance costs.

I definitely don't want to end up worse.

Here a rage exited through the offside shoulder. Deer was quartering away, arrow entered near the last rib.


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Weldabeast said:
Of broadhead? The best I can afford. Hehehe
I have cutthroat on my arrows that I got used off of SH.
I like the 3to1 long single bevels that are 1 solid piece....I'll buy some nice ones someday but I'm pretty happy with these cutthroat for now....they are gonna last a while thou...get real sharp. If I hadn't lucked into these I'd probably have grizzlystik or tuffhead
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GrizzlyStik SAMURAI 200 BROADHEADS are the ferrules aluminum an these also?
 
Weldabeast said:
Of broadhead? The best I can afford. Hehehe
I have cutthroat on my arrows that I got used off of SH.
I like the 3to1 long single bevels that are 1 solid piece....I'll buy some nice ones someday but I'm pretty happy with these cutthroat for now....they are gonna last a while thou...get real sharp. If I hadn't lucked into these I'd probably have grizzlystik or tuffhead
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What the difference between the regular and the overkill besides the price?
 
CooterBrown said:
What the difference between the regular and the overkill besides the price?
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I don't know ...I only looked at the Ashby "signature"

U gonna pay more for solid 1 piece but the tuffhead and grizzlystik are middle of the pack....u can get really expensive really fast. U just gotta remember that u will kill multiple animals and not have to throw away broadheads after u shoot them.....as long as they don't get too beat up/bent they last for season after season after season...and I think most have some kind of warranty
 
I saw a graph based on testing the other day that showed there is no gain or lose in speed once you break 600gr. I can’t remember the guy but he went to a great deal of testing. Even up to 1163gr I think.
 
Lowg08 said:
I saw a graph based on testing the other day that showed there is no gain or lose in speed once you break 600gr. I can’t remember the guy but he went to a great deal of testing. Even up to 1163gr I think.
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but i was below that level
 
Plebe said:
I don't know what you are getting for speed but it sounds like your setup is close to the numbers I'm liking
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FWIW I'm shooting a 2014 Elite E32, 70# at a 30 inch draw. I haven't chrony'd my arrows but based on some rough video time measurements and the EZ-V insert that's working with my 540grn arrow setup I believe I'm getting right around 260fps.

Also, please don't take my linking this video and my personal observations as an attempt to "sell the adult arrow concept" or to try to get anyone to change their setup. If what you've been doing is working and you're happy with it by all means continue on. I just found it pretty remarkable to see my personal experiences played out on video like that. I figured it was worth sharing as a personal observation for anyone who might be considering a change.
 
CooterBrown said:
single shot
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If you watch videos where they chronograph the same arrow over multiple shots, there is often surprising deviations in speed. I've seen way bigger deviations than the 4fps you're getting from 150-200 grains. I'm guessing the average speeds if you took a bunch of shots would show the 200grain slower than the 175, if only ever so slightly.
 
CooterBrown said:
GrizzlyStik SAMURAI 200 BROADHEADS are the ferrules aluminum an these also?
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I think both versions of the 200grn (Black Label or Overkill) have aluminum ferrules. I know for a fact the Overkill do and to maintain the weight in the same size its extremely likely that the Black Label do too. It appears to me that the difference is the quality of steel used for the head (440C vs AUS4).

I can also attest to the fact that they are EXTREMELY SHARP. Personal experience . . . just saying. :tearsofjoy:
 
boyne bowhunter said:
FWIW I'm shooting a 2014 Elite E32, 70# at a 30 inch draw. I haven't chrony'd my arrows but based on some rough video time measurements and the EZ-V insert that's working with my 540grn arrow setup I believe I'm getting right around 260fps.

Also, please don't take my linking this video and my personal observations as an attempt to "sell the adult arrow concept" or to try to get anyone to change their setup. If what you've been doing is working and you're happy with it by all means continue on. I just found it pretty remarkable to see my personal experiences played out on video like that. I figured it was worth sharing as a personal observation for anyone who might be considering a change.
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That's a good point of reference, thanks.

Also, I'm not saying one thing is better than another because, I just don't know.

I am just surprised by the lack of pass throughs Greg was getting and you. I really appreciate Greg on THP, his experience and demeanor balances the group. While I find some of the others more interesting to watch, I like Greg best. And you've more experience than I as well. But I've had largely different results. I wonder if the 1.5" heads are the difference? But I was getting through with the 2" blades as well.

Nonetheless, personally I'm gravitating towards something closer to what you've got going. I'd like to be slightly faster, so a bit lighter TAW then.

Anyway, this one passed through shoulder as well. I was kneeling and maybe got a bit lucky, although the path of the arrow through the deer is better than the hair pattern suggests.


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