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65lbs 27.5DLAlso thanks for posting your data @CooterBrown, I didn't check the thread but what #and DL are you shooting?
65lbs 27.5DLAlso thanks for posting your data @CooterBrown, I didn't check the thread but what #and DL are you shooting?
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Sounds like The Beast needs some dust
Or both, lol.Or to follow the mantra all hunters, especially new ones, should follow: Shoot until you’re out of arrows.
This ^^^I use meat wrapping paper, get a whole roll of it lasts for a long time and provides great tear holes for analysis.
Yessir. GrizzlyStik arrows and broad heads have worked so far
I've used Montecs in standard - weight arrows and been kind of ambivalent. They penetrate just fine and do what I expect, but haven't really blown me away. And they don't penetrate bone better than anything else. To me, heavy, high-FOC arrows are maximized when paired with heavy 2-blade broadheads, preferably single-bevels. I'm leaning towards the 200gr Bone. I think I'd rather have my weight in the head than the insert, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.Put together a couple test arrows:
457g (avg of 3) 238 fps 13.3foc green
479g shoot 226 fps 16.3 foc green
483.6g, 234fps yellow 13.5foc
509.8 , 227fps orange 17.2foc
I'm leaning towards the heaviest orange. I'm shooting 60# @ 27 inches. If the drop is reasonable for single pin sight out to 30 yards that'll be the way I go. All wieghts are avg of 3 arrows, speeds avg of 7 shots and the colors are the fletchings on them. All with 125gr BH.
Does anyone have any thoughts of g5 monotecs in this set up? I'm pretty torn about BH selection
Thanks
Which one of those arrows has perfect flight? There are a few ways to build an arrow setup but one of if not the most important aspect is the final tune and perfect or as close as you can get it to perfect arrow flight. As far as actually building out the arrow I look at it 2 ways, either total arrow weight I want to hit or I choose the head I want to shoot and build the arrow around it. I prefer to build around the head. In your list, it looks like you are either shooting different shafts, shaft lengths, different fletching and maybe some lighted and some standard nocks. Not sure what combos you have there but assuming all the shafts are the same spine they should shoot slightly different with 125 out front on all of them. With a high speed of 238 you arent shooting fast enough for speed to be a serious consideration in the arrow build imo. So I would focus on what is going to make the arrow setup the most lethal it can be and if your choice is the montec for a head, I would spend my time tuning the orange fletch arrow at 509 grains. If you change you mind and opt for a 2 blade, any of them will work, I would pick the one that currently flies the best and then try to optimize the tune for that arrow if needed.Put together a couple test arrows:
457g (avg of 3) 238 fps 13.3foc green
479g shoot 226 fps 16.3 foc green
483.6g, 234fps yellow 13.5foc
509.8 , 227fps orange 17.2foc
I'm leaning towards the heaviest orange. I'm shooting 60# @ 27 inches. If the drop is reasonable for single pin sight out to 30 yards that'll be the way I go. All wieghts are avg of 3 arrows, speeds avg of 7 shots and the colors are the fletchings on them. All with 125gr BH.
Does anyone have any thoughts of g5 monotecs in this set up? I'm pretty torn about BH selection
Thanks
The weak link is the threaded section when the head has solid impact at an angle. Structurally is there a difference in more weight being in the head or more in the insert re: thread failure? I dont know the answer and dont recall ever hearing that aspect discussed. I think weight and foc are going to benefit any head but I think they are maybe more important to 3 blade heads than 2 but it depends on what the arrows are penetrating.I've used Montecs in standard - weight arrows and been kind of ambivalent. They penetrate just fine and do what I expect, but haven't really blown me away. And they don't penetrate bone better than anything else. To me, heavy, high-FOC arrows are maximized when paired with heavy 2-blade broadheads, preferably single-bevels. I'm leaning towards the 200gr Bone. I think I'd rather have my weight in the head than the insert, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.
In your list, it looks like you are either shooting different shafts, shaft lengths, different fletching and maybe some lighted and some standard nocks. Not sure what combos you have there but assuming all the shafts are the same spine they should shoot slightly different with 125 out front on all of them
I wouldnt rule out the montec if they fly good for you. That head will for sure kill the crap out of stuff. I just had a hard time getting them sharp back in the day and that is probably why the blood trails were what they were. I would imagine you can get the carbon steel version plenty sharp. What ever head you decide on just make sure they are as sharp as you can get them and blood trails should be fine given a proper hit.I will double check but they're all easton 6.5mm 340 spine cut right around 30 inches. Same nocks, fletching other than color. 3 different inserts, one aluminum the other two heavier ones brass.
I'll be rethinking the montecs.
Thanks for the advice
Put together a couple test arrows:
457g (avg of 3) 238 fps 13.3foc green
479g shoot 226 fps 16.3 foc green
483.6g, 234fps yellow 13.5foc
509.8 , 227fps orange 17.2foc
I'm leaning towards the heaviest orange. I'm shooting 60# @ 27 inches. If the drop is reasonable for single pin sight out to 30 yards that'll be the way I go. All wieghts are avg of 3 arrows, speeds avg of 7 shots and the colors are the fletchings on them. All with 125gr BH.
Does anyone have any thoughts of g5 monotecs in this set up? I'm pretty torn about BH selection
Thanks
Do you have a stockpile of Bone broadheads?... I'm leaning towards the 200gr Bone...
My experience was very similar to that shown here in the video. I started bowhunting with fixed 4 or 5 blade broadheads and almost always got complete pass throughs. In the early 90's I switched first to 125grn Vortex mechanicals and then moved to Rage after a couple of Vortex o-ring failures. At that point I was sure that faster flight and large cutting diameter was the key to recovery.
After almost a decade and even though I'd killed and recovered a bunch of deer with the mechanicals, I realized I could only recall one instance where I had achieved a complete pass through. I've been shooting a 70# compound at a 30" draw for as long as I can remember, I figured I should be getting pass throughs. However, most of my shots ended up looking just like those in this video. Arrows would enter and stop about mid shaft.
In hindsight, I fully acknowledge that I never properly tuned my bow. I didn't have to, the mechanicals hit exactly where the field points did. It wasn't until 2019 when I switched back to fixed blades that I found out just how out of tune my bow was. The 3 blade Ramcats I changed to at that time hit fully a foot to the left at 20 yds. It was easily corrected with some minor rest adjustments but it showed me just how complacent I'd been about bow tuning.
I still haven't gone "full adult" with my arrows but I'm closer now. I'm shooting 200grn Grizzly Stik single bevel Overkill Samurai's with a 540grn total arrow weight at about 18% FOC. I haven't killed one with them yet but I personally have more confidence in the setup than I did.