Why don't yall 2TC?

[tailgunner]

No experience with 2TC or rope only climbing methods.

Reading, watching, and learning.

Still don't understand why experienced/happy 2TC'ers don't rappel. Maybe it's something you just have to experience. Saying "it's easier to 2TC down than to 2TC up" doesn't do it for my pea brain.

So that's one question I have about this process.

Another one relates to what I am simultaneously learning about JRB techniques (assuming you do want to rappel). How about using a single 40' rappel line that is your main tether at its top (normal/ typical attachment to tree). Then take a bite of the tag end below your bridge hitch, and use a "Saddle Hunters Hitch" to create a separate load line (though it's the same line really), and use that as your foot loop line? One rope gets you both "tethers" and at the top you just undo the SHH and rappel off the top as normal. This makes sense in my head, but might be way off. Again, zero experience. Just thinking out loud. Comes back to the desire to rappel at the end which given the low weight/bulk of 8mm rope and the speed and safety aspect of this descending method I just don't understand why experienced folk don't prefer it (as noted in Question#1).

for me its not logical to carrie a seperate sytem just to get down if getting down with 1 system is easy.1 syetem up and down or 2.i dont need to carrie extra stuff for when im done hunting.im done.i dont take 2 cars and use a different car to get home.the only thing i carrie for when im done hunting is a knife.rappeling is fun but less is less.my 10 strap on steps are only 5 pounds.1 system up and down .i dont know what a rope pullline and decenders weigh .or what they fit in.but to go ultra light you dont add to the system.im learning to two tether so all i need is my saddle.1 .3/4 pounds all together

 

[GeoFish]

for me its not logical to carrie a seperate sytem just to get down if getting down with 1 system is easy.1 syetem up and down or 2.i dont need to carrie extra stuff for when im done hunting.im done.i dont take 2 cars and use a different car to get home.rappeling is fun but less is less.my 10 strap on steps are only 5 pounds.1 system up and down .i dont know what a rope pullline and decenders weigh .or what they fit in.but to go ultra light you dont add to the system.im learning to two tether so all i need is my saddle.1 .3/4 pounds

I agree with you, but some of these guys are hunting north of 30', so it may make sense to repell. I am a 16' to 18' guy so I am planing on 2TC down. Plus I would let you borrow my best hunting dog if you help me save 2Lbs.

 

[tailgunner]

im the same way but even at 30. when compared to how easy it is to get up it seems effortless to get down.

 

[tailgunner]

im not dogging people who like to rappel .im just looking at it from an ultra light backpackers point of veiw.not a hunt deer for the day point of veiw.people through hike the pacific crest trail with a 7 pound base weight.thats 3 to 4 months.for gear junkies ultra light means you can carrie more cool things to be compfortable with in the backwoods.drop 1 pound from something that is 10 minutes of the day,now you can get a 1 pound camp chair to be comfortabl for the whole night get it .when hunting elk with a full backpackers camp on your back day in day out.plus hunting gear.you learn what you dont need fast

 

[tailgunner]

I just can't believe this is all I need to get up and down.just over 1 3/4 lbs. just put this on and climb.tethers are in it.

 

[MNFarmHunter]

Broke out the digital scale:
SRT kit: 90' rope, Petzl hand ascender, Madrock, bag, throwball pouch: 5.7#
2TC kit: (2) tethers, (2) biners, (2) Kong ducks: 1.3#

Either kit is the base minimum to climb and descend a tree and doesn't count anything else (platform, bow, etc.). For all practical intents and purposes, going 2TC only saves nearly 4.5# of weight.

 

[tailgunner]

thats nothing for a day hunt.but a lot to a backpacker.10 strap steps is 5 lbs.

 

[GeoFish]

Broke out the digital scale:
SRT kit: 90' rope, Petzl hand ascender, Madrock, bag, throwball pouch: 5.7#
2TC kit: (2) tethers, (2) biners, (2) Kong ducks: 1.3#

Either kit is the base minimum to climb and descend a tree and doesn't count anything else (platform, bow, etc.). For all practical intents and purposes, going 2TC only saves nearly 4.5# of weight.

Looks like you saved me 2Lbs. You can borrow my best hunting dog any time you want.

 

[MNFarmHunter]

Looks like you saved me 2Lbs. You can borrow my best hunting dog any time you want.

Thanks but the time he gets here, either I or the scavengers would have already found it.

 

[GeoFish]

Thanks but the time he gets here, either I or the scavengers would have already found it.

That's probably best. I said he was my best, but what I didn't tell you was he is my only dog. I never said he was any good, LOL.

 

[tailgunner]

Add the .ring of steps and it's it's 3 1/4 pounds.all it takes to be up.thats crazy to me

 

[Plebe]

thats nothing for a day hunt.but a lot to a backpacker.10 strap steps is 5 lbs.

yep.

5lbs=>
4 Carbon fiber climbings sticks + versa aider
5 ONE sticks

whereas

2TC kit=>
1 Carbon Fiber climbing stick
1 ONE stick and, idk, a webbing aider, a couple through bolts

 

[tailgunner]

it takes a linemens and tether for the sticks.2 tethers plus sticks.stick is just in the way.

 

[Plebe]

it takes a linemens and tether for the sticks.2 tethers plus sticks.stick is just in the way.

It is best practice.

 

[TNSTAAFL]

Many of us do rappel, north40, red beard, me etc... .....they're just saying you dont need to rappel to get down, it's less weight to not have a rappel rope, if you dont go so high it's a bother to setup and then have to wrap up a rappel rope, etc...
I always rappel because I use my rappel rope as my main tether.

Good to know. Thanks. Maybe I've just misunderstood how many 2TC pros don't rappel. I look forward to learning more about both.

 

[gcr0003]

I just can't believe this is all I need to get up and down.just over 1 3/4 lbs. just put this on and climb.tethers are in it.View attachment 61422

Here I thought your writing sucked because you had fat fingers and were just blasting away on the phone and autocorrect couldn’t keep up. Turns out your on a computer keyboard trying to hit 100 words per minute and you fingers can’t keep up lol. There should be a tail gunner specific thread with the amount posts you write. I’d follow that thread.

 

[Red Beard]

Many of us do rappel, north40, red beard, me etc...

Honestly, I didn't rappel at all this past season. I'm one of those that now thinks coming down with two tethers is easier than carrying extra rope into the woods.

 

[Samcirrus]

Honestly, I didn't rappel at all this past season. I'm one of those that now thinks coming down with two tethers is easier than carrying extra rope into the woods.

Ah, my bad, I was still going off your video.
Btw, I dont get it though. I tried coming down with just my 2 tethers last weekend chaga hunting and thought "I'll never do this again".... different strokes for different folks.

 

[tailgunner]

Here I thought your writing sucked because you had fat fingers and were just blasting away on the phone and autocorrect couldn’t keep up. Turns out your on a computer keyboard trying to hit 100 words per minute and you fingers can’t keep up lol. There should be a tail gunner specific thread with the amount posts you write. I’d follow that thread.

I type with one finger.and realy can't spell

 

[Samcirrus]

Like MNFarmhunter I want to do more SRT/JRB climbing but always be able to 2TC, so I've modified my rope and system to be able to do both with just 1 knot to tie differently between the 2 systems. I'm also gonna get an 80' rope instead of my 40'.
Im trying out daisy chaining my rappel rope and using it as saddle suspenders! So I dont mind the weight.
Also, since using only the JRB hitch for my main tether/rappel line at height, I've never had a rappel rope get hung up, so that's another thing that frustrates some.