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Why don't yall 2TC?

I took the day off today.
I went out in 28* weather, flurries and 20 mph wind gusts to T2C with the poly thigh band and stirrups.

I decided on some Petzl 11mm I have in the trunk as it has the stiffer feel to it. Kernmantle I believe.

The thing is the tether seemed to really stretch alot.
Maybe cause its new line and new 8mm hitch cord pursiks.
I only did a partial climb. Just enough to figure I will shorten the thigh loop where it goes to the tether and same for the stirrups.
It didn't slide up the tree to my liking but I'm getting ideas on that as well.

So for now(as I'm about to hit the door)it will be one stiking where the pines meet the puddles.
 

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Bigfoot522 said:
I took the day off today.
I went out in 28* weather, flurries and 20 mph wind gusts to T2C with the poly thigh band and stirrups.

I decided on some Petzl 11mm I have in the trunk as it has the stiffer feel to it. Kernmantle I believe.

The thing is the tether seemed to really stretch alot.
Maybe cause its new line and new 8mm hitch cord pursiks.
I only did a partial climb. Just enough to figure I will shorten the thigh loop where it goes to the tether and same for the stirrups.
It didn't slide up the tree to my liking but I'm getting ideas on that as well.

So for now(as I'm about to hit the door)it will be one stiking where the pines meet the puddles.
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Is the Petzl 11mm static or dynamic rope?
 
FrankNess14 said:
What’s your setup here? Looks like the bottom tether is looped back up into a Blakes for the foot loop, right? What’s the other hitch and wire gate carabiner for?
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NMSbowhunter said:
Yes, the bottom tether (foot) is 14 or 15 feet of Samson Predator tied in a Blake's hitch for adjustability. The hitch above that is a Distel with a wire gate carabiner. This hitch and carabiner mainly serve as the connection point for my backpack. When I get up to the spot where I want my ring of steps, I slide the Distel up the rope and take the backpack off and hang it from this carabiner. I then attach the ring of steps and put the backpack back on my back and climb past the ring of steps. Once at hunting height on my ring of steps I put the foot tether up about 6 inches under the main tether and slide the Distel up all the way as a stopper knot and hang my backpack at about 120 degrees to my right, out of the way. I then install an HME gear strap between the two tethers and this holds my bow on the left and my quiver on the right.

The Distel serves a secondary purpose also. It is my connection point should i need to go around a limb. I would hook up my bridge to this and weight it, then unweight and detach my top tether and move it around a limb. I am blessed with a plethora of straight limbless trees, so this has not been necessary. Some will poo poo the use of a wire gate carabiner, but they are used by mountain climbers so, for this application, it suits my needs.
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My foot tethers are very similar to his ^^^.
I weeded through a bunch of tether handles and settled on using a rated continuous loop or something similar as a handle, And I can also use it for clipping into to pass limbs, AND I can hang stuff from it once at height...

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phatkaw said:
My foot tethers are very similar to his ^^^.
I weeded through a bunch of tether handles and settled on using a rated continuous loop or something similar as a handle, And I can also use it for clipping into to pass limbs, AND I can hang stuff from it once at height...

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I was about to scold you for using that continuous loop in the first picture to clip in to when going around limbs because the way it is in the first picture would not work if you fell. Then I saw the second picture. Pretty cool how it serves two different and useful functions simply by where you have it positioned on your tether. Well done.
 
Ok after two days in the marsh climbing 2tc with rubber boots I’ll have to say that it kinda sucks. Not a good feeling in the feet. You ain’t gonna die or anything but it isn’t pleasant. So you’d want a bigger foot loop or thigh loop if you got rubbers on. If I said it didn’t matter in the past I redact that lol.
 
phatkaw said:
Kinda funny, I spend 2 - 20 seconds standing in my footloop.
I don't have any need for a 'comfy' add-on doo-hickey...
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My 1inch webbing is fine with my normal hunting boots but it cuts on this rubber boot. I was trying a different method of 2TC Which I think was actually slower so maybe I was on the foot longer and that’s why I felt it more?
 
I’ve been using my lineman’s as the foot tether. I use a big enough loop of cord to make it easy to get my foot into and girth it to the hitch that stays on the lineman’s or use a Garda rope foot loop (with a Blake’s to adjust it) if there are lots of limbs. Keeps my number of ropes down and shorter since I don’t have to leave enough length for a foot loop + Blake’s in the main rope and my dedicated foot loop gets all the shoe dirt, not my linesman. I love the simplicity of y’all’s integrated loop approach though.
 
The reason I put the rubber hose section on the foot loop was just to keep the loop spread open for the climb down, especially in the dark. That is why I also put reflectors on each side. It makes it a little more comfortable to stand on also but it's not necessary.
 
Who here is using the thigh loop to get up the tree as shown in the video? or who has a good amount of experience with this method? @always89y @Red Beard ?

I piddled with it a little this morning and I had it all set up wrong.
Watching back through some videos do I have this correct: Your top tether you are both tied in to and you have a foot loop? Your bottom tether is just a thigh loop?

I inch wormed up about 10 ft and back down and it was awkward and clumsy but I see the potential. Like any knew climbing method, knowing how to efficiently make the moves and not fight the system is a huge.

Quick take is that you 100% need a comfortable thigh loop that spreads the pressure evenly. Also, it seems that you need to have decent balance in both legs since you’re utilizing both of them for this climb. It does seem that you have some slack in your harness/saddle attachment at all times.

I’m going to try and make a comfortable thigh loop and figure out the proper lengths and give it go again sometime soon
 
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gcr0003 said:
Who here is using the thigh loop to get up the tree as shown in the video? Why did you choose it over the simple one footloop method?

I piddled with it a little this morning and I had it all set up wrong.
Watching back through some videos do I have this correct: Your top tether you are both tied in to and you have a foot loop? Your bottom tether is just a thigh loop?

I inch wormed up about 10 ft and back down and it was awkward and clumsy but I see the potential. Like any knew climbing method, knowing how to efficiently make the moves and not fight the system is a huge.

Quick take is that you 100% need a comfortable thigh loop that spreads the pressure evenly. Also, it seems that you need to have decent balance in both legs since you’re utilizing both of them for this climb. It does seem that you have some slack in your harness/saddle attachment at all times.

I’m going to try and make a comfortable thigh loop and figure out the proper lengths and give it go again sometime soon
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I'll be interested to see how this goes for you. I have never used a thigh loop personally. I though initially I might need one when I tackled some of these larger trees but that has not been the case. The biggest issue I have with large diameter trees is the circumference eats up tether length pretty fast. My next top tether will be a foot or so longer for this reason.
 
gcr0003 said:
Who here is using the thigh loop to get up the tree as shown in the video? or who has a good amount of experience with this method? @always89y @Red Beard ?

I piddled with it a little this morning and I had it all set up wrong.
Watching back through some videos do I have this correct: Your top tether you are both tied in to and you have a foot loop? Your bottom tether is just a thigh loop?

I inch wormed up about 10 ft and back down and it was awkward and clumsy but I see the potential. Like any knew climbing method, knowing how to efficiently make the moves and not fight the system is a huge.

Quick take is that you 100% need a comfortable thigh loop that spreads the pressure evenly. Also, it seems that you need to have decent balance in both legs since you’re utilizing both of them for this climb. It does seem that you have some slack in your harness/saddle attachment at all times.
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Take a look at the CFE videos again or any of Scott Adkins' very first videos. The thigh loop is tied in to the top tether and is the only point of pressure (or rest) during advancement of the bottom/foot tether. It was only AFTER catching a lot of flack regarding safety aspects that Scott began to incorporate his saddle. At that point, he clipped his saddle onto the top tether.

If you use the above as the basis for employing the thigh strap, it functions beautifully. However if you try to employ a thigh loop in conjunction with your saddle (as in, sitting down in the saddle as your point of pressure or rest), the thigh loop becomes almost unnecessary.

Your assessment about needing a comfortable/wide thigh loop is spot on.
 
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I second that comfy thigh loop.
Its on the top tether and they clip into top tether too.
I think you could clip your saddle in a bit loose during the climb.
I'm working right up to Christmas day but then I have a few off and will focus on this.
 
Trees around here run large too.
Too big for most climbing treestands to give you an idea.
There are smaller one as well but when you need to be in a certain spot you just do.
 
gcr0003 said:
Who here is using the thigh loop to get up the tree as shown in the video? or who has a good amount of experience with this method? @always89y @Red Beard ?

I piddled with it a little this morning and I had it all set up wrong.
Watching back through some videos do I have this correct: Your top tether you are both tied in to and you have a foot loop? Your bottom tether is just a thigh loop?

I inch wormed up about 10 ft and back down and it was awkward and clumsy but I see the potential. Like any knew climbing method, knowing how to efficiently make the moves and not fight the system is a huge.

Quick take is that you 100% need a comfortable thigh loop that spreads the pressure evenly. Also, it seems that you need to have decent balance in both legs since you’re utilizing both of them for this climb. It does seem that you have some slack in your harness/saddle attachment at all times.

I’m going to try and make a comfortable thigh loop and figure out the proper lengths and give it go again sometime soon
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Bottom tether is foot loop only. saddle and/or thigh strap attach to top tether.
 
gcr0003 said:
Ok after two days in the marsh climbing 2tc with rubber boots I’ll have to say that it kinda sucks. Not a good feeling in the feet. You ain’t gonna die or anything but it isn’t pleasant. So you’d want a bigger foot loop or thigh loop if you got rubbers on. If I said it didn’t matter in the past I redact that lol.
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Ok after 4 more hunts in the marsh using 2TC I’m reversing my answer once again back to my original take. 1 inch webbing is plenty for 2TC with rubber boots. I don’t know what I was whining about last week but I have had no problem with the exact same set up recently. I do think the other method of 2TC I was trying last week had me standing in the footloop longer and caused the discomfort. If you’re ascending with any sort of regular pace you won’t be on your footloop long. 1” webbing is sufficient. FINAL ANSWER.
 
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