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Why don't yall 2TC?

gcr0003 said:
Ok after 4 more hunts in the marsh using 2TC I’m reversing my answer once again back to my original take. 1 inch webbing is plenty for 2TC with rubber boots. I don’t know what I was whining about last week but I have had no problem with the exact same set up recently. I do think the other method of 2TC I was trying last week had me standing in the footloop longer and caused the discomfort. If you’re ascending with any sort of regular pace you won’t be on your footloop long. 1” webbing is sufficient. FINAL ANSWER.
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Foot placement in the loop makes a difference for me. If I get my foot too far in it can get a little uncomfortable if you stay in the loop for a bit.
 
We had a sunny day today and I made a couple climbs.
My biggest take away was exactly that.
I need to make a braided foot loops or something. The rope was uncomfortable enough for me to want a wider loop.
I used carabiners for ease of bypassing limbs but I think I will just go with big rope loops.
I rappelled down on an 8 as I would in low light.
2TC down is easier than one stik down to me.
I don't even like one stiking down.

I will say the more you do it the easier it gets and you see what needs changing in your system.
 
What I don’t get is those who say a rope is too uncomfortable for a foot loop.

Even done slow, you should be standing in the loop no more than 15-20 seconds tops. If you’re spending more time than that standing in your foot loop, your overall technique is off.

Ideally, your rest cycle us sitting in your saddle with your tether taking the weight. The foot loop is just there to advance your tether to that next rest cycle.


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MNFarmHunter said:
What I don’t get is those who say a rope is too uncomfortable for a foot loop.

Even done slow, you should be standing in the loop no more than 15-20 seconds tops. If you’re spending more time than that standing in your foot loop, your overall technique is off.

Ideally, your rest cycle us sitting in your saddle with your tether taking the weight. The foot loop is just there to advance your tether to that next rest cycle.


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I’ve been using a 1/8” amsteel foot loop with a bit of rubber hose on it all season in my rubber boots. They have a fairly stiff sole, so maybe that contributes, but no foot issues while climbing here. Plenty of other issues…but wrong thread for that.
 
I was using colombia hikers.
If I put on my steel shank loggers I use when spiking trees for removal, I would be fine.
Matter of fact being in hooks without steel shank boots is uncomfortable as well.
For me.
 
MNFarmHunter said:
I’m not criticizing and yet….

If you can stand on a stick for a given period of time, you can 2TC for an equal amount of time standing in the foot loop.

If there’s pain doing one but not the other, you’re doing the other wrong.


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Sorry, I think the gout in my feet disagree with you. In a foot loop I have down pressure and side pressure. On a step, only down pressure. Good sturdy boots helps, but don't eliminate the side pressure.
 
I didn't get to hunt this weekend so gave 2tc a legit go again for 3rd time. Climbed a really limby tree, straight pine, and a heavy leaner with 2 large branches multiple times with different configurations of rope/gear...maybe it's because I'm so well practiced with my current climbing method or maybe it's because I'm so unpracticed with 2t...I feel like I'm expending so much more energy and the original deal breaker is still there and the reason I don't pursue 2t more....advancing tethers up the trunk sux ballz and no matter how I rig stuff up there is that moment with every advancement there is imo little too much slack...I can mitigate that slack with my linesman but now I got ropes everywhere.... I do like a double footloop much more than single and calf hook
 
Weldabeast said:
I didn't get to hunt this weekend so gave 2tc a legit go again for 3rd time. Climbed a really limby tree, straight pine, and a heavy leaner with 2 large branches multiple times with different configurations of rope/gear...maybe it's because I'm so well practiced with my current climbing method or maybe it's because I'm so unpracticed with 2t...I feel like I'm expending so much more energy and the original deal breaker is still there and the reason I don't pursue 2t more....advancing tethers up the trunk sux ballz and no matter how I rig stuff up there is that moment with every advancement there is imo little too much slack...I can mitigate that slack with my linesman but now I got ropes everywhere.... I do like a double footloop much more than single and calf hook
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Sounds like you gave it a really good try. I would have suggested you start out on limbless trees and just try the tether advancement moves first. When you have that part down pat and it is more muscle memory than thought process, then advance to tougher trees. That is what I did. It seemed to work. I bet I practiced for 2 months on limbless trees before I seriously considered moving on to passing a limb. It also boils down to what types of trees are most plentiful where you hunt. When I was looking at 2tc as an option for replacing my sticks, I looked back over the past season to the actual trees I climbed in and 95% of the actual trees I hunted from did not require a limb to be crossed with a lineman's. Crossing a limb for me under hunting conditions was just not high on the list. I have a lot of straight limbless trees. This was exactly the thing that worked against me with DRT.

This is my first season using 2tc almost exclusively. I did DRT climb a preset location a while back. Aside from that 2tc has beaten sticks hands down this season.

What climbing method are you using now?
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Sounds like you gave it a really good try. I would have suggested you start out on limbless trees and just try the tether advancement moves first. When you have that part down pat and it is more muscle memory than thought process, then advance to tougher trees. That is what I did. It seemed to work. I bet I practiced for 2 months on limbless trees before I seriously considered moving on to passing a limb. It also boils down to what types of trees are most plentiful where you hunt. When I was looking at 2tc as an option for replacing my sticks, I looked back over the past season to the actual trees I climbed in and 95% of the actual trees I hunted from did not require a limb to be crossed with a lineman's. Crossing a limb for me under hunting conditions was just not high on the list. I have a lot of straight limbless trees. This was exactly the thing that worked against me with DRT.

This is my first season using 2tc almost exclusively. I did DRT climb a preset location a while back. Aside from that 2tc has beaten sticks hands down this season.

What climbing method are you using now?
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I seek out the trees with lots of limbs. I can't sit still so I hide whenever possible.

I get up the tree pretty much like traditional sticks and carry with u aider but use webbing stirrup instead of a metal stick
 
Fuse Dude said:
Tried 2 TC and after an hour I went up 3'.

All my illusions of grandeur are gone.
I'll just carry sticks with aiders.

For now....
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The first time I tried it I got up about 2 moves and said heck no. Then I put it aside a while and came back to it later. The first few low level climbs felt sketchy as all get out. Then something happened. It just sort of clicked and I thought this has potential.
 
Weldabeast said:
I seek out the trees with lots of limbs. I can't sit still so I hide whenever possible.

I get up the tree pretty much like traditional sticks and carry with u aider but use webbing stirrup instead of a metal stick
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I'm lucky in that regard. I can sit motionless for hours. I get in a zenlike state while hunting and just zone out. Part of me is paying close attention to the woods but another part of me might be off thinking about who knows what. I get a lot of thinking done in the tree.
 
So how big of tree are you able to climb.
The tree I been cutting my teeth on I can't touch my hands together and its a hard start. Inchworm.
Once I'm 10 feet up or so it gets easier.
With one stik I don't think twice about that kind of girth.
Up here we have lots of big pines like this where turkeys roost.
 
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