Why don't yall 2TC?

[krub6b]

I know you don’t know. Most people don’t know. That why I have to remind people. Never forget the fleece saddle. The cheap to comfort ratio is out of this world.

Rides in my pack every hunt, makes a great backband or ground setup if the right tree isn't available. And a fleece blanket for your posterior is nice late season.

 

[Marmuzz]

RCH - $65
carabiner - $14
25’ of rope - $33
12’ of hitch chord from - $5
Fleece saddle - $5
Ring of steps made of wood blocks. $8
Ratchet or cam strap $5

$135 and you are elevated and saddle hunting in arguably the lightest, quietest, and most comfortable saddle known to man.

Would be a fun off season separate thread where we challenge each other to put together a full climbing and hunting system at a low cost. You have to share your build and cost and weigh everything at the end.

We’d essentially be copying all the diy stuff from a few years back lol

Yes, definitely. This site needs more throwback DIY and less crashing webstores buying out Safeguards!!

 

[TommyDee]

Buy the footloop from CGM. It’s luxury, and allows you to “chill” without getting any foot cramps when you clumsily advance the main tether up the tree. this technique is great on skinny trees, and I’m going to try a fat/stiff tether on the bigger trees this off season. For now, I’m 1 sticking since i find it much easier on larger trees i typically hunt, and prefer just having to raise the tether 3 times to hunting height.

 

[phatkaw]

I put my saddle on right after my pants and wear it in the car.....for a reason

phatkaw says “what’s the reason?”

tailgunner replys “Depends.”

 

[mschultz373]

Alright so I may mid-season switch to 2TC.

My linesman has two carabiners and a ropeman1. Could I run it with a carabiner as the way I rope it around the tree and then make a loop for the foothold? I’d guess my linesman is 10-12’ long?

I can one stick easily if I don’t bother running a redundant tether at the top of each move. But I’m always worried a linesman isn’t enough.

 

[krub6b]

Alright so I may mid-season switch to 2TC.

My linesman has two carabiners and a ropeman1. Could I run it with a carabiner as the way I rope it around the tree and then make a loop for the foothold? I’d guess my linesman is 10-12’ long?

I can one stick easily if I don’t bother running a redundant tether at the top of each move. But I’m always worried a linesman isn’t enough.

I use a locking carabineer to girth hitch the tree for my foot loop tether. There is a down side on trees with crumbly bark, the threads on the screw gate can get packed full of bark and not easily open when you need to pass a limb or pack up at the end of the hunt. Also, some will say this is cross loading a carabineer, a quick link or delta link would be the more accepted answer to this role

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[gcr0003]

Alright so I may mid-season switch to 2TC.

My linesman has two carabiners and a ropeman1. Could I run it with a carabiner as the way I rope it around the tree and then make a loop for the foothold? I’d guess my linesman is 10-12’ long?

I can one stick easily if I don’t bother running a redundant tether at the top of each move. But I’m always worried a linesman isn’t enough.

I’m not worried about recommending using a carabiner to connect a foot tether to a tree bc it will only ever be statically loaded and you will always be attached to your top tether. It is also very handy for going around branches to have it attached with a carabiner. Add a 1inch webbing footloop to the ropeman1/carabiner and you’ll be set to jet.

 

[mschultz373]

I’m not worried about recommending using a carabiner to connect a foot tether to a tree bc it will only ever be statically loaded and you will always be attached to your top tether. It is also very handy for going around branches to have it attached with a carabiner. Add a 1inch webbing footloop to the ropeman1/carabiner and you’ll be set to jet.

i've asked a bunch of questions prior so I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but...
- how do you go around branches in 2TC? pull the footloop rope up high enough to 'tether' into from saddle, then take main top tether over limb, then reset?
- instead of 1" webbing for the footloop, could I prusik my 3-step aider to the line and use as footloop?
- how do y'all pull main tether higher w/o putting your fingers under the rope?? (I'm a musician so this is a big one for me)

 

[Samcirrus]

I know you don’t know. Most people don’t know. That why I have to remind people. Never forget the fleece saddle. The cheap to comfort ratio is out of this world.

Is it a diy fleece saddle? Do you have instructions for making it?

 

[gcr0003]

Is it a diy fleece saddle? Do you have instructions for making it?

huh? Yea, a diy fleece saddle is what I was saying is comfortable. Have you made one? Did you think it was uncomfortable?

The ultimate ultralight saddle?

I have a small hammock seat where it is just a short/narrow hammock where you hang the foot end low. It doubles as a gear hammock and backpack cover ...cool piece of kit. 48" long 40" wide camo EpsIlon. Sew double stitched channels into each end and run Amsteel loops (tied or spliced) through...

saddlehunter.com

 

[gcr0003]

i've asked a bunch of questions prior so I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but...
- how do you go around branches in 2TC? pull the footloop rope up high enough to 'tether' into from saddle, then take main top tether over limb, then reset?
- instead of 1" webbing for the footloop, could I prusik my 3-step aider to the line and use as footloop?
- how do y'all pull main tether higher w/o putting your fingers under the rope?? (I'm a musician so this is a big one for me)

2. 3 step aider is fine! Use what you have!
3. I guess make some tether tenders of some kind.

1. There are several ways to get around limbs. The way I do it is by attaching my Garda footloop to the top tether below the hitch I’m hanging from and standing. I then put what was my bottom foot tether on top of the limb I want to pass and connect my bridge to it. I weight my new top tether and then detach my bottom and move it above the limb. Proceed as normal or switch back to your standard top and bottom tether.

The easiest methods consist of switching tethers temporarily or at least adding or moving your footloop so you can switch as between the tether you stand and hang from as you go around the limb.

I think @phatkaw keeps a prussic not being used on his bottom tether which he uses as a grab handle to progress the tether as well as a point to clip into going around limbs. For this method you would first clip your bridge to the bottom tether prusik not in us (This prusik is above your footloop). Then you would stand, unclip your top tether and put it on the top side of the limb. Clip into the top tether, unclip from the bottom tether, move bottom tether above limb. Finish.

 

[Samcirrus]

2. 3 step aider is fine! Use what you have!
3. I guess make some tether tenders of some kind.

1. There are several ways to get around limbs. The way I do it is by attaching my Garda footloop to the top tether below the hitch I’m hanging from and standing. I then put what was my bottom foot tether on top of the limb I want to pass and connect my bridge to it. I weight my new top tether and then detach my bottom and move it above the limb. Proceed as normal or switch back to your standard top and bottom tether.

The easiest methods consist of switching tethers temporarily or at least adding or moving your footloop so you can switch as between the tether you stand and hang from as you go around the limb.

I think @phatkaw keeps a prussic not being used on his bottom tether which he uses as a grab handle to progress the tether as well as a point to clip into going around limbs. For this method you would first clip your bridge to the bottom tether prusik not in us (This prusik is above your footloop). Then you would stand, unclip your top tether and put it on the top side of the limb. Clip into the top tether, unclip from the bottom tether, move bottom tether above limb. Finish.

Ok i think your idea of using a Guarda as a easily removable/switchable footloop is genius for ppl who only want 1 footloop!

 

[mtsrunner]

I’m not worried about recommending using a carabiner to connect a foot tether to a tree bc it will only ever be statically loaded and you will always be attached to your top tether. It is also very handy for going around branches to have it attached with a carabiner. Add a 1inch webbing footloop to the ropeman1/carabiner and you’ll be set to jet.

I agree. Locking carabiner not necessary if you are comfortable with using a carabiner on the foot loop tether. If you temporarily use it as your main tether to go around limbs, the safety factor is questionable

 

[mtsrunner]

i've asked a bunch of questions prior so I apologize if I'm repeating myself, but...
- how do you go around branches in 2TC? pull the footloop rope up high enough to 'tether' into from saddle, then take main top tether over limb, then reset?
- instead of 1" webbing for the footloop, could I prusik my 3-step aider to the line and use as footloop?
- how do y'all pull main tether higher w/o putting your fingers under the rope?? (I'm a musician so this is a big one for me)

I’m also very conscious of not wanting my fingers under my main tether. I use the ‘tether handles’ from arboreal gear. They allow me to use 8mm rope as my main tether instead of having to use big stiff stuff like 10mm HTC or bigger. They make a huge difference. I have tried to DIY several different handles with Amsteel, but nothing works better than these:

 

[gcr0003]

I’m also very conscious of not wanting my fingers under my main tether. I use the ‘tether handles’ from arboreal gear. They allow me to use 8mm rope as my main tether instead of having to use big stiff stuff like 10mm HTC or bigger. They make a huge difference. I have tried to DIY several different handles with Amsteel, but nothing works better than these:

I didn’t think about this but I leave a small s biner on my bottom tether so that once I’m hunting height I pull up my pack and hook it to my hitch and then put my bow on the hook. These handles would make a good placed to hang stuff as well once you have a pack on it. I might make a couple to try.

 

[gcr0003]

Ok i think your idea of using a Guarda as an easily removable/switchable footloop is genius for ppl who only want 1 footloop!

It also doubles as a foot ascender for rope climbing, it’s the most diverse climbing tool in my tool belt.

 

[mschultz373]

It also doubles as a foot ascender for rope climbing, it’s the most diverse climbing tool in my tool belt.

could you post a pic of your setup? @NMSbowhunter posted one of his a few back and it was so helpful! Just trying to envision yours with the garda hitch and all.

 

[Iron_llama]

This has been rolling in my brain for weeks, but I have been to lazy to research or think it through.

Is there a way to make progress with each tether advance??? Meaning actually raising where your hips are at in relation to the tree?

Right now my hips only raise when I stand on my foot tether. “Make progress”

Could I possibly make progress by the raising top tether, and then standing on another footloop?

Am I crazy? Is anyone following my train of thought?

I had that thought as well. I've got 2 footloops, one is on my tether (girth hitched to a longhorn agile), the other is a Garda hitch I can put on my main line. No reason it wouldn't work, but I think I prefer the action of a friction hitch to ratcheting of a Garda hitch.

Never forget the fleece saddle. The cheap to comfort ratio is out of this world.

Seriously, saddle hunters got to learn their history. I've pretty much decided to make a blaze orange fleece saddle to use as a backband/hammock/insulating layer/hi-viz during rifle season. Might make it 2 layers and quilt in some sort of insulation. MN rifle season can get pretty cold.

 

[bpz89]

Anyone 2TC with a lock-on treestand ? Or access pre hung stands via 2TC?


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[Samcirrus]

Anyone 2TC with a lock-on treestand ? Or access pre hung stands via 2TC?


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I have a few preset platforms on private property....same thing I guess, and on 1 tree I can't ever seem to get my preset cord to work for SRT so I'm always 2TCing up it...its been 3 times now.