Yeah I totally get it on their end and you are right about the fanatic...although I think I would wear it sledding with the kids, etc or to a frigid football game. The jet stream is close, but much thinner, much louder. If they offered the stratus jacket and pants in solids I think I would find a way to buy them at full price right now. Or, if they offered the traverse cold weather hoody with wind stopper. Maybe someday.