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Wild Edge Stepp's

donnieballgame said:
Oh man,that sounds rough, we need a WE veteran to chime in here, lol. If you can't lift the stepp once it's tied before cam'n over, could you wrap the rope, then lift a little before tying the knot, so you just have to cam over? Just working through this in my mind from a desk at work, lol
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No, I have the opposite problem...
I can’t lift the step before cramming over due to the rough nature of the bark. That, and my incompetence with the correct tension/camming method, makes it to where the Stepp WILL lift way too easily after it is on the tree.

Every now and then, I get one JUST right and it is solid as heck. I think you could lift a tank with one when they are done right...


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IkemanTX said:
I can’t seem to get mine cammed over consistently. I have a set of the old ones from Jim, and the rope seems a hoot but finicky. I spent several hours with the steps and still had major problems with them just popping up after seeming to be secured. I’m hoping that an amsteel mid May help with the problem.

The one thing I haven’t done yet is stretching out the rope like it is brand new (since the stepps are several years old, and changed hands a couple times). I have decided to try that before giving up on the Stepp Ladder completely.


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I’m having the same problem with the older stepps. I didn’t know if it was the rope. I know he uses different rope now. On a smooth barked tree like an oak or maple it works good anything soft or rough i struggle.


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Lbbowhunter76 said:
I’m having the same problem with the older stepps. I didn’t know if it was the rope. I know he uses different rope now. On a smooth barked tree like an oak or maple it works good anything soft or rough i struggle.


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I really think it is the older rope from Jim’s version. It seems to have a lot of inherent stretch in the weave pattern. That’s why I think the amsteel will probably fix my problem completely.

Down in my area, it’s the oaks that I have the biggest problem with.... well, that and the hickorys, pecans, cottonwoods, cedar elms...... heck almost all of our trees have rough/deep bark in these floodplain areas I hunt.


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IkemanTX said:
I really think it is the older rope from Jim’s version. It seems to have a lot of inherent stretch in the weave pattern. That’s why I think the amsteel will probably fix my problem completely.

Down in my area, it’s the oaks that I have the biggest problem with.... well, that and the hickorys, pecans, cottonwoods, cedar elms...... heck almost all of our trees have rough/deep bark in these floodplain areas I hunt.


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I think your right on the rope. I’m going to buy a new set these are some I’ve been borrowing from a friend. The oaks up here in the northeast are pretty smooth unless your in a giant. Soft bark trees are tough I noticed. They loosen up once you step on them.


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IkemanTX said:
I really think it is the older rope from Jim’s version. It seems to have a lot of inherent stretch in the weave pattern. That’s why I think the amsteel will probably fix my problem completely.

Down in my area, it’s the oaks that I have the biggest problem with.... well, that and the hickorys, pecans, cottonwoods, cedar elms...... heck almost all of our trees have rough/deep bark in these floodplain areas I hunt.


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I have been nervous about using amsteel because of how slick it is. Here is a side by side picture that wild edge shared when they upgraded their rope last year. New one on the left. I never saw the original ropes to compare, but heard that people struggled with them a lot more than the newer ropes.
 

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donnieballgame said:
Oh man,that sounds rough, we need a WE veteran to chime in here, lol. If you can't lift the stepp once it's tied before cam'n over, could you wrap the rope, then lift a little before tying the knot, so you just have to cam over? Just working through this in my mind from a desk at work, lol
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When this happens i will leave the knot intact but feed a little back through to create just enough slack to the cinch tight and cam the step over. I got my set about two months ago. I must be one of the lucky natural ones because i really have had zero issues using these unlike some who have posted on here. Just remember take your time when using them and you will have fewer issues.
 
I would tell you let the rope on back side of the tree in the initial set up be lower than the front. ie let it droop just a smidge. That way when you go to cam over it is already in the correct position.
 
You have to get the knot tight for this too work because you are not really lifting it but rather just Caming it over it this makes sense.
 
Cajunyankee said:
I have been nervous about using amsteel because of how slick it is. Here is a side by side picture that wild edge shared when they upgraded their rope last year. New one on the left. I never saw the original ropes to compare, but heard that people struggled with them a lot more than the newer ropes.
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Good to know. I think the old rope works well on certain trees but some trees they are difficult to get right.


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I wonder if Andrew from WE would put new ropes on the older stepps? It might be cheaper than amstel, 8' per stick will be about 8 dollars per stick, not to include the time to splice them all, also you have to worry about amstel wear. I was thinking you could put something over it to help protect the amstel. Someone on here posted something from treestuff that was a tube to protect the rope from friction. I bet you could use some of that climbing webbing as well.
 
donnieballgame said:
I wonder if Andrew from WE would put new ropes on the older stepps? It might be cheaper than amstel, 8' per stick will be about 8 dollars per stick, not to include the time to splice them all, also you have to worry about amstel wear. I was thinking you could put something over it to help protect the amstel. Someone on here posted something from treestuff that was a tube to protect the rope from friction. I bet you could use some of that climbing webbing as well.
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A lot of guys are using Amstel but I think if it was truly better than what Andrew uses he’d start using that on his product.


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Lbbowhunter76 said:
A lot of guys are using Amstel but I think if it was truly better than what Andrew uses he’d start using that on his product.


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My tendency towards Amsteel is because it is very easy to splice, is readily available from multiple sources, and is very inexpensive per foot or in bulk.
Instead of splicing directly to the step, I am going to do a spliced eye in the amsteel. That way I can pack the stepps in without ropes and just girth hitch the amsteel on once I get to the tree.


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IkemanTX said:
My tendency towards Amsteel is because it is very easy to splice, is readily available from multiple sources, and is very inexpensive per foot or in bulk.
Instead of splicing directly to the step, I am going to do a spliced eye in the amsteel. That way I can pack the stepps in without ropes and just girth hitch the amsteel on once I get to the tree.


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Very interesting that makes a lot of sense. Is it hard to get the Amstel knot undone?


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Lbbowhunter76 said:
A lot of guys are using Amstel but I think if it was truly better than what Andrew uses he’d start using that on his product.


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Wild edge’s rope is stiffer making it easier to tie and untie. Amsteel is for the trained professionals, not the general public! Lol
 
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