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Exactly, I'm not trying to argue that when I am practicing scent control I am fooling ALL of the deer ALL of the time but, I am POSITIVE I am fooling a lot more of them with scent control then without, and that includes mature bucks. To me that is worth the little extra work it takes.

Well this is more realistic than implying you can hunt anywhere with no concern about the wind.
 
Exactly, I'm not trying to argue that when I am practicing scent control I am fooling ALL of the deer ALL of the time but, I am POSITIVE I am fooling a lot more of them with scent control then without, and that includes mature bucks. To me that is worth the little extra work it takes.
I’m on the same page as you. I am never talking absolute with anything to do with deer or any other animal. I think if anyone thought we were 100 percent controlling our scent you wouldn’t be talking about post season scouting. Heck you wouldn’t even need to climb a tree. Just wait until mid morning and and stalk into bedding areas from the upwind side. The deer always bed facing downwind right? Deer aren’t predictable and neither is the wind in the area I hunt. So I choose to use scentlok as a tool to help me. Now my climate absolutely sucks for using scent control and when I use it in the early season I try to have spots picked out within a couple hundred yards of the truck. Of course in this situation scentlok is probably working against me in that I should probably throw caution into the swirly winds and just go where I know the hunting will be better and not care if I burn the location. Now what really makes me scratch my head is the guys that are against scentlok because they are convinced that you can never fool a deers nose but they wear unscented deodorant and bathe and wash hunting gear in scent killing soaps. If you can’t beat a deers nose what’s wrong with smelling like cucumber melon or what ever soap your wife has in the shower?
 
When you have to come up with such extreme and once in a lifetime scenarios to justify something it defeats the purpose in my opinion. You see the same type of arguments used to try and justify abortion.
 
When you have to come up with such extreme and once in a lifetime scenarios to justify something it defeats the purpose in my opinion. You see the same type of arguments used to try and justify abortion.
Imagine if this was to spend the night with your dream woman though. I would say that would be extreme and once in a lifetime(except for me since I married mine:grin::rolleyes:).If anyone were able to do something to try and make that happen I’d love to be the business owner of that thing. Everyone hunts for a different reason. If it’s not worth it to you then don’t do it. If someone else does it then who cares. Someone else wearing scent lok doesn’t mess me up in the woods.
 
Imagine if this was to spend the night with your dream woman though. I would say that would be extreme and once in a lifetime(except for me since I married mine:grin::rolleyes:).If anyone were able to do something to try and make that happen I’d love to be the business owner of that thing. Everyone hunts for a different reason. If it’s not worth it to you then don’t do it. If someone else does it then who cares. Someone else wearing scent lok doesn’t mess me up in the woods.
It does on public when they shut the deer movement down cause they think they can hunt anywhere.....hypothetically of course lol
 
When you have to come up with such extreme and once in a lifetime scenarios to justify something it defeats the purpose in my opinion. You see the same type of arguments used to try and justify abortion.
Is that statement to do with using the helicopter to drop you off at the tree or just having deer downwind?
 
Is that statement to do with using the helicopter to drop you off at the tree or just having deer downwind?
In response to the helicopter statement. In my opinion you can set up whatever elaborate style of test you want to try and eliminate all the other variables, and in the end I think the dog/deer are still going to notice you. While you may have positive gains as to the level they react, there is no getting around the fact they will still catch your wind at any level of scent control.
 
In response to the helicopter statement. In my opinion you can set up whatever elaborate style of test you want to try and eliminate all the other variables, and in the end I think the dog/deer are still going to notice you. While you may have positive gains as to the level they react, there is no getting around the fact they will still catch your wind at any level of scent control.
I agree 100 percent that if I’m wearing scentlok and a deer gets downwind of me that the deer can or could smell me. There isn’t a piece of hunting land that a deer doesn’t smell a person several days a week. They just have to determine if it’s a threat or not. If a deer freaked out every time it smelled a human it would go into shock. If you have ever dropped milkweed and watched it get 50+ feet in the air and eventually disappear it will come back down. Maybe miles away along with your scent. You aren’t a threat to deer that far away but if you’re scent molecules find his nose he will smell you. He may lick his nose and look up wind and take a good sniff but will decide you’re not a threat. I parked on a field edge one fall to see where a buck was coming into the field. As I’m sitting there some does come out at about 300 yards and give the truck a good stare and go to feeding. Several small bucks and a nice buck also entered the field but about a hundred yards farther away. I rolled the windows down and put a spotting scope on the window for a better look. Felt the wind blowing toward the deer as soon as I rolled the window down. None of the deer looked up for about 30 seconds. It was the doe first. She got nervous and looked my way again but went back to eating. About that time the buck tenses up and looks my way. He licked his nose and pointed it in my direction. He didn’t freak out but turned slightly and fed away from me. They both smelled me. They both determined I wasn’t an immediate threat to life or limb. The scent was only 30-45 seconds old so it’s not like it had aged. How could they tell I was a safe distance away? The scent particles were less concentrated. That’s all I can ask for out of my scentlok suit is to let the deer think I’m a safe distance away. Just like the guy that lives a half mile away or the postal delivery driver that rides by everyday with the window down. Deer share the same air we do and unless your hunting a huge wilderness area there will be human scent in the air. If a dog can put an animal at the end of a two day old track and a deers nose is even better they are bombarded with human scent on a daily basis. They just have to perceive whether it is a threat. It’s just a guess for them just like it is for us on how well any scent control measures work.
 
For the references made to military NBC suits...... These suits are SATURATED in carbon, vastly higher amounts than you could ever purchase in an piece of hunting attire. AS someone stated earlier, literally looks like your beating a dusty rug if you shake them. (a google search will likely do nothing but reveal knock of items with the same label).

They also have a relatively short time frame of effectiveness, if my mind serves me correctly, once opened around 8-10 hours max. Once they are used, that's it, either have to be turned in (in which case I don't how they reapply fresh carbon, or destroyed if contaminated). Dryers and other so called "recharge" methods are absolute BS! Carbon/charcoal can only absorb so much, and when it does, that's the end.

Does the miniscule amounts of carbon in hunting clothes help absorb scent....maybe. But I will begin to lose its abilities immediately after the carbon is applied if not sealed air tight. I don't know about you, I don't typically see jackets in pants in food saver bags at Cabelas. Even if you did get the active carbon to remain effective for your hunt, by the end of your hunt, its gone. So I guess the only option would be to have 20 wardrobes, vacuum sealed from the manufacturer if you want to hunt 20 sits.

I don't disagree with scent control, but I prefer to play the wind. Does scent control help? I see how it might in some circumstances, minimalizing scent could help reduce the saturation or dispersion that flows downwind, potentially decreasing a deer's level of alertness. Also maybe help for an off wind instance, where your scent cone may be reduced, but you will never be completely scent free.
 
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I have been in the jungles of west papua and seen hunters wearing gourds and hunting with bamboo arrows and bows. They were successfully killing wild pigs

Must be the gourds

I am sure it won’t work in Ontario Maybe in the hot south where they can’t handle scent lok
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Personally I'm waiting until scent lok comes out with one!
You couldn’t get @BassBoysLLP to make you one with split microfiber fabric. An electrostatic loin cloth with feathers around the edges just in case something slips out. Where would you put the batteries? :eek:
 
Here you go, haven't used it personally but I heard good things about it....
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MALE-POWER...mal-Print-Jungle-Mens-Underwear-/310993625557
That open design, paired with shaved pubes, results in optimized ventilation for ultimate freshness! Dust it with a little activated carbon and don your ScentLok head cover, and you've eliminated your two biggest problem areas! Smear yourself in possum fat to keep the bugs off and trap skin rafts and you've got the ultimate early-season scent control regimen.
 
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